For any new traders out there just buy pogba



  • @Shippers said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Dan-The-Man not saying your trying to create fear but what was the purpose of your question about "are you worried" why even ask that?

    To learn.

    I find that I learn far more, conversing with people who hold different views to me. There's always a chance that someone else in the room, has more knowledge, or has thought about something I haven't.

    Also because there's a slither of a chance, Steve hadn't considered those things. Unlikely as that is...

    You were correct about Pogba but theres others you've been wrong on the same as all of us.

    I've never claimed to be perfect mate and I think if you look back through my posts, you'll see that I've made threads about my failings. That said my batting average is pretty good. I think that's because I tend to be more selective about the number of players I write about. I have a portfolio of 15-40 at any particular time, but tend to write about the 2 or 3 players I feel strongest about... and every now and then throw out someone like Moutinho who I'm not too sure about, to see what others think.



  • @Ericali sorry mate, I know you've been good
    LATELY but you've still got form my friend 😂😂



  • @Vespasian32 said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Shippers he wasn't correct about pogba, he thought he was leaving and spent months saying his div returns would dwindle. Pogba has earned the most divs since.

    Go back and look at those posts... you'll find I said... IF Pogba leaves his dividends will dwindle.

    That's an important IF.

    The value of his share is irrelevant if its £5 tomo... So what, if its £8 so what? The value is relevant when you sell. Hes made imaginary money on Henderson who has flatlined for a while now and not returned any money. Those of us holding pogba may be losing a little port value ON HIM... But have received lots of cash we reinvest into players doing a lot better than Henderson.

    You haven't made money on Pogba until you sell him.

    You've simply moved your loses to the end, whilst tying up your opportunity costs.

    If you had £1,000 to spend now... and you put it on Pogba, you'd get 140 futures at £7.14

    If he dropped to £5 tomorrow (your example)... £300 down.

    Pogba would have to win dividends 107 times just to break even and in the time it took him to do that, you've lost months worth of opportunity cost.

    Let's look at this a different way.

    If instead of betting £1,000 on Pogba... you just put that in a draw and every time he would have won a dividend you placed a bet... you'd have all the same bets you were going to place with his dividends... but you wouldn't be £300 down and at no point did you risk £1,000.

    So of course it matters what happens to his price.



  • @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @ScouseSte said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Dan-The-Man

    It's only the likes of yourself and @Ericali who seem intent on trying to spread fear about holding Pogba, and that's because you want to be proven right about getting out when you did.

    Come now mate, you know me better than that.

    My decision to get out of Pogba when I did, has already been proven right... There hasn't been a day since I got out of him, where I'd have been better off keeping him and the money has since been spent on significantly more profitable opportunities.

    I even tagged you in a post a month or so back, saying "I'd get in now if I had spare cash in my portfolio" followed by "I'd get out now"... during which time, he rocketed and has since fallen. So, let's not be making out like I'm on here creating fear.

    When I think he's a good buy, I say it, when I think he's a bad buy, I say it.

    OK Dan, you personally were in a position to gain from selling Pogba when you did. That's fine and nobody is disputing that. Well done. But that's irrelevant now mate. That's a historic trade. So let's look at US, the ones who hold Pogba now.

    You have all the information further down this thread on why me holding Pogba is almost absolutely safe (hedged by holding the same number of shares in Rashford, Salah etc), so you now know that nobody is worried holding Pogba now (given that their portfolios are similar).

    Surely you can now concede that us holders are in a great position? All the figures / portfolio info / earnings is detailed in the thread.

    And as you failed to answer the two questions I fired back at you, regarding your assessment that Pogba's spread means there is lots in the sale queue, allow me. ..

    I asked what happens when those shares in the sell queue are bought?
    Yes Dan, it means Pogba's share price RISES.

    I also asked what happens if those shares are withdrawn from sale?
    Yes Dan, that also means Pogba's share price WILL RISE.

    As you can probably gauge, there is supreme confidence and pleasure in having Pogba shares as part of a well balanced portfolio. To me it's an absolute no-brainer.

    No worries mate 😉



  • @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Vespasian32 said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Shippers he wasn't correct about pogba, he thought he was leaving and spent months saying his div returns would dwindle. Pogba has earned the most divs since.

    Go back and look at those posts... you'll find I said... IF Pogba leaves his dividends will dwindle.

    That's an important IF.

    The value of his share is irrelevant if its £5 tomo... So what, if its £8 so what? The value is relevant when you sell. Hes made imaginary money on Henderson who has flatlined for a while now and not returned any money. Those of us holding pogba may be losing a little port value ON HIM... But have received lots of cash we reinvest into players doing a lot better than Henderson.

    You haven't made money on Pogba until you sell him.

    You've simply moved your loses to the end, whilst tying up your opportunity costs.

    If you had £1,000 to spend now... and you put it on Pogba, you'd get 140 futures at £7.14

    If he dropped to £5 tomorrow (your example)... £300 down.

    Pogba would have to win dividends 107 times just to break even and in the time it took him to do that, you've lost months worth of opportunity cost.

    Let's look at this a different way.

    If instead of betting £1,000 on Pogba... you just put that in a draw and every time he would have won a dividend you placed a bet... you'd have all the same bets you were going to place with his dividends... but you wouldn't be £300 down and at no point did you risk £1,000.

    So of course it matters what happens to his price.

    No he wouldn't... You still ignore what I can do with those dividend wins. You don't get it. When I land back in England il show you my last 4 days whilst unable to trade... I'm expecting £200ish... From investments already made in pogba, neymar, ronaldo, rashford... That £200 can go into anyone... Probably bonucci/Rashica top ups. Any money they make can be attributed to my investment in pogba, neymar, ronaldo, rashford... Then next week il win another £100+ hopefully and reinvest thst and any money made on that will be attributed to my initial investment in the div winners. So he doesn't have to earn 107 divs at all... That's Fake news bro!



  • @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Vespasian32 said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Shippers he wasn't correct about pogba, he thought he was leaving and spent months saying his div returns would dwindle. Pogba has earned the most divs since.

    Go back and look at those posts... you'll find I said... IF Pogba leaves his dividends will dwindle.

    That's an important IF.

    The value of his share is irrelevant if its £5 tomo... So what, if its £8 so what? The value is relevant when you sell. Hes made imaginary money on Henderson who has flatlined for a while now and not returned any money. Those of us holding pogba may be losing a little port value ON HIM... But have received lots of cash we reinvest into players doing a lot better than Henderson.

    You haven't made money on Pogba until you sell him.

    You've simply moved your loses to the end, whilst tying up your opportunity costs.

    If you had £1,000 to spend now... and you put it on Pogba, you'd get 140 futures at £7.14

    If he dropped to £5 tomorrow (your example)... £300 down.

    Pogba would have to win dividends 107 times just to break even and in the time it took him to do that, you've lost months worth of opportunity cost.

    Let's look at this a different way.

    If instead of betting £1,000 on Pogba... you just put that in a draw and every time he would have won a dividend you placed a bet... you'd have all the same bets you were going to place with his dividends... but you wouldn't be £300 down and at no point did you risk £1,000.

    So of course it matters what happens to his price.

    To reiterate 😩... Lost 17p a share on Pogba since end of season 1st June. Won 78p a share in dividends. 61p profit per share in 2.5 months. Fact.

    So we HAVE made money without selling him. It's in my account now!

    Forget about your angle of "if you bought Pogba now". Nobody is strongly advocating traders buy in now (although I wouldnt rule it out 😉).
    We are talking about long term holders who had the balls to hold and even top-up during the uncertain summer, who have been and are still reaping the rewards daily ... and it's just burning some ex-holders heads out.
    Let it go.

    I sold Rhian Brewster for about a quid last year. I'm not on here saying "ooooo he's a bubble, arent you worried? !" I've got to suck it up and be happy for those who still hold him.
    Same with Mason Mount. Only sold just over a week ago and I'm SICK now that he's boomed since. "Ooooo Mason Mount might get injured though. Aren't you worried? ?" Haha it's not on mate. It's just sour grapes.



  • @ScouseSte surely the elephant in the room is that Dan sold pogba... Therefore at some point he bought him... And pogba would always have been higher price than Henderson. So he obviously believed in buying dividend winners... He was quite strong about kane too. So his arguments about pogba have a huge agenda rather than any principle belief in not investing in the top end div winners.



  • @Vespasian32 said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    If instead of betting £1,000 on Pogba... you just put that in a draw and every time he would have won a dividend you placed a bet... you'd have all the same bets you were going to place with his dividends... but you wouldn't be £300 down and at no point did you risk £1,000.

    No he wouldn't... You still ignore what I can do with those dividend wins. You don't get it. When I land back in England il show you my last 4 days whilst unable to trade... I'm expecting £200ish... From investments already made in pogba, neymar, ronaldo, rashford... That £200 can go into anyone... Probably bonucci/Rashica top ups. Any money they make can be attributed to my investment in pogba, neymar, ronaldo, rashford... Then next week il win another £100+ hopefully and reinvest thst and any money made on that will be attributed to my initial investment in the div winners. So he doesn't have to earn 107 divs at all... That's Fake news bro!

    I'm not ignoring those dividends mate. See my draw example... "every time he would have won a dividend you placed a bet.... you'd have all the same bets you were going to place with his dividends"

    So all that money from Bonucci... you still would have won just without the £1,000 risk or the £300 loss.

    Until you cash in Pogba... they are drip feeding you access to your own money and calling it a dividend. FI aren't on here to give you money.... they are betting that the longer you hold Pogba... the more likely they are to win.



  • @ScouseSte said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @ScouseSte said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Dan-The-Man

    It's only the likes of yourself and @Ericali who seem intent on trying to spread fear about holding Pogba, and that's because you want to be proven right about getting out when you did.

    Come now mate, you know me better than that.

    My decision to get out of Pogba when I did, has already been proven right... There hasn't been a day since I got out of him, where I'd have been better off keeping him and the money has since been spent on significantly more profitable opportunities.

    I even tagged you in a post a month or so back, saying "I'd get in now if I had spare cash in my portfolio" followed by "I'd get out now"... during which time, he rocketed and has since fallen. So, let's not be making out like I'm on here creating fear.

    When I think he's a good buy, I say it, when I think he's a bad buy, I say it.

    OK Dan, you personally were in a position to gain from selling Pogba when you did. That's fine and nobody is disputing that. Well done. But that's irrelevant now mate. That's a historic trade. So let's look at US, the ones who hold Pogba now.

    You have all the information further down this thread on why me holding Pogba is almost absolutely safe (hedged by holding the same number of shares in Rashford, Salah etc), so you now know that nobody is worried holding Pogba now (given that their portfolios are similar).

    Surely you can now concede that us holders are in a great position? All the figures / portfolio info / earnings is detailed in the thread.

    And as you failed to answer the two questions I fired back at you, regarding your assessment that Pogba's spread means there is lots in the sale queue, allow me. ..

    I asked what happens when those shares in the sell queue are bought?
    Yes Dan, it means Pogba's share price RISES.

    I also asked what happens if those shares are withdrawn from sale?
    Yes Dan, that also means Pogba's share price WILL RISE.

    As you can probably gauge, there is supreme confidence and pleasure in having Pogba shares as part of a well balanced portfolio. To me it's an absolute no-brainer.

    No worries mate 😉

    Sorry Steve, not ignoring you mate... gonna read through it properly now.



  • @Dan-The-Man if talking gamble... Buying a shit like hendo with 1 div return in his FI life expectancy is pure gamble. You could have put that on at the Booky.

    Pogba is safe as they come, I'm still in profit in cap ap and made loads of divs and made money on those divs.

    Investing in a gamble cap ap player works but id want my multiple streams of income not just rely on that. I think you need a shroom... To open up your head space. You've got blinkers on. I'm sure in reality you do have and believe in a diverse portfolio... Just crying in your soup cos u chose kane over pogba and neymar.



  • @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @ScouseSte said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @ScouseSte said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Dan-The-Man

    It's only the likes of yourself and @Ericali who seem intent on trying to spread fear about holding Pogba, and that's because you want to be proven right about getting out when you did.

    Come now mate, you know me better than that.

    My decision to get out of Pogba when I did, has already been proven right... There hasn't been a day since I got out of him, where I'd have been better off keeping him and the money has since been spent on significantly more profitable opportunities.

    I even tagged you in a post a month or so back, saying "I'd get in now if I had spare cash in my portfolio" followed by "I'd get out now"... during which time, he rocketed and has since fallen. So, let's not be making out like I'm on here creating fear.

    When I think he's a good buy, I say it, when I think he's a bad buy, I say it.

    OK Dan, you personally were in a position to gain from selling Pogba when you did. That's fine and nobody is disputing that. Well done. But that's irrelevant now mate. That's a historic trade. So let's look at US, the ones who hold Pogba now.

    You have all the information further down this thread on why me holding Pogba is almost absolutely safe (hedged by holding the same number of shares in Rashford, Salah etc), so you now know that nobody is worried holding Pogba now (given that their portfolios are similar).

    Surely you can now concede that us holders are in a great position? All the figures / portfolio info / earnings is detailed in the thread.

    And as you failed to answer the two questions I fired back at you, regarding your assessment that Pogba's spread means there is lots in the sale queue, allow me. ..

    I asked what happens when those shares in the sell queue are bought?
    Yes Dan, it means Pogba's share price RISES.

    I also asked what happens if those shares are withdrawn from sale?
    Yes Dan, that also means Pogba's share price WILL RISE.

    As you can probably gauge, there is supreme confidence and pleasure in having Pogba shares as part of a well balanced portfolio. To me it's an absolute no-brainer.

    No worries mate 😉

    Sorry Steve, not ignoring you mate... gonna read through it properly now.

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    😉



  • Here's my response (or take on the subject) when @Friedeggs asked me if I would be dipping my toe & buying Pogba again:-

    "There's no point for the foreseeable future.

    Although he may hit £7.80 or £8 when the European transfer window closes, when January comes around & their is more speculation his price will surely drop again? 🤔 So the profits are superficial & just go up or down.

    If I cashed out in November to beat the January drop off at £8 & bought in today at his current price of £7.15 I'd make around 10% on my investment after paying out my 16p a share commission.

    So, if I bought 1,000 Pogba's it would cost me an outlay of £7,150 & I'd clear about £715 profit for 3 months "work" if I sold him to market at £8 in the middle of November.

    Problem is, I've tied up £7k for 3 months.

    If i invested my £7k into other players lower down the food chain I'd hope to easily make £1,500 over the same time period.

    Less than 3 months ago I purchased 3,000 Kolarov & I've currently made over 25% by buying in at 40p & today he costs 51p.

    When he's still at Roma when the European transfer window closes he will be even higher.

    A much better percentage return for much less capital investment. (below)"

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  • @Ericali yeh bit like Dan tho this is retrospective success... It was a bit hairy there with costant reports of interest from Turkey. Roma obvs open to getting rid... So will he play? If not he will crash in price. What's the spread now... What will you have actually made if you have to IS 3000 shares in a rat race to get rid.

    Great business if he's first choice again... But you must accept this is a much bigger risk than pogba. And you have only talked about making 10% cap ap on pogba... Not the dividend return and what you would make on those dividends in the meantime



  • @Vespasian32 he's currently 52p & the spread is 50p.

    He was never going to Turkey as Roma was asking for between 5.5-7m for him & Fenerbahce didn't want to pay a fee!

    I've no doubt he will be first choice, 9 goals last season from defence doesn't suggest he's on the wane & the other LB they bought to eventually replace Kolarov has just been injured in the past 24 hours.

    Which all but guarantees his stay.

    If Pogba won 1p a share I would only collect £10 for every 1,000 Pogba's I held.

    He'd also take up nearly a third of my portfolio value. And having nearly a third of anyone's portfolio value in one player is sheer madness if anything untoward happened.



  • Plus I don't think it was a bigger risk than Pogba.

    If Pogba left he easily would have dropped £1.50-£2.

    Kolarov had already dropped from 65p to 38p on the speculation to Turkey. If he went he probably would have dropped to 20-25p.

    I would have lost £300-£400 on an £1,200 outlay.

    If he hits 60p by Saturday night (as I expect) it will be a £600 profit or 50% capital appreciation. 💰

    A loss of £2 on Pogba would have left me £2,000 out of pocket on my £7,150 outlay.



  • @Ericali yeh but kolorov leaving means you have no chance of making money back. Pogba leaving and I reckon I'd take a grand or so in divs and his price would bounce back within a year.

    I've made similar trades to your kolorov one
    .. I had 3000 stafy at 24p he got to 36p but looks to be backup so I IS at 32p...nice little return but they don't all work out and even as a very active trader, that's much more effort to find and keep checking these players as its high risk. A couple pence drop when holding 1000s of shares loses cash quite quickly...

    Good trade on kolorov. But again, like Dan, you had bought pogba. So at principal level you are/were a dividend chaser for some aspect of your port. So comparing pogba to kolorov is a little deceiving disingenuous . You probably own other £5+ players right?



  • I’m enjoying this GLADITORIAL scrap ....I wanna see BLOOD 😂



  • @Ericali Why don’t you start a thread titled
    ‘To all new users, ignore the relentless Pogba pumping and avoid him at all costs’?
    Seems stupid doesn’t it when it’s put like that?
    Seems strange that there are so many people willing to do the opposite. Wouldn’t you say?



  • @Timothee-Atouba seems strange that experienced trader like Eric/Dan would suggest to A NEW USER to buy the likes of kolarov and Henderson rather than a solid returner like pogba. Would you buy Henderson or kolorov at their current price? No chance. Kolorov maybe once he posts a big score... As a very quick flip (not ideal strategy for a new user)

    Read @Fletch recent update on the benefits of a diverse port using dividend earners as a cornerstone. Its a fucking great post and advice for new users... How to build a sensible port at low risk and make very good money.

    If this thread was 'how do you maximise your profit' instead of pumping/defending pogba... I'd be illustrating the strengths of my other strategies utilising my day trader skills to find assets like kolorov. My track record is pretty decent when it comes to doubling/trebling money on cheapies... But these are high risk high volume punts... This ain't the right thread... Newbies should stay well clear of that till they can read the market and understand an undervalued 20p player



  • @ScouseSte said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    Your argument seems to imply that people who own Pogba dont have anyone else in their portfolio, which is an absurd thought!

    I implied nothing of the sorts mate. I included a comparison of the spread to give context to Pogba's spread. After all, there's no point in saying "His spread is 42p" because 42p as a percentage of his price might have been small...

    The majority of Pogba holders now are probably experienced traders

    Highly unlikely! Pogba is the most famous player in the Premiership, at the biggest club in the land then in terms of 'discoverability' on FI, he's at the top of the 200 list, the most talked about on forums/facebook/twitter and he wins dividends on a regular basis which means he's highly visible. As a result, many casual traders who don't know their arse from their elbow will have bought in to him. If you'd have said someone like Kimmich... fair enough, as you'd need quite a bit of market knowledge to pick out a foreign wingback who gets PB, but Pogba is like betting on England to win the World Cup. Mug across England spend fortunes every 4 years making that mistake.

    A cynical person would say, it's almost intellectually dishonest of you to make such a claim. Basically insinuating that people who haven't bought Pogba aren't smart. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and put it down to an ill thought out claim. 😘

    Experienced traders will have a diverse portfolio so there is unlikely to be anyone worrying about Pogba's price.

    Again, trying to position your side of the debate as the experienced conclusion and doing so with false equivalence and a strawman too.

    Firstly... I never argued against a diverse portfolio.... though it's worth noting that the most experienced and successful stocks and shares trader in the world, Warren Buffett, says diversification is for rookies who don't know better.

    Secondly, you don't need to have Pogba to have a diverse portfolio. Those two things aren't one and the same. So, you've knocked down arguments, nobody was making, while making out like your position is that of the experienced.

    And I really hope you are correct about Pogba's spread indicating lots in the sell queue - tell me Dan....
    What happens to Pogba's price if these shares in the queue get bought?

    His price stays the same... right until a bunch of people quick sell at which point the panic kicks in for those who were already looking to get out.

    And what happens if they don't get bought and are taken off the market?

    The spread closes.


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