For any new traders out there just buy pogba



  • @Mundek this is the argument in a nutshell - I am a huge advocate of Pogba and Neymar. But ive openly stated/advised people on lower budgets not to bother. I know the % can be extrapolated as the same... but in my mind each dividend win has to be directly reinvestable OR withdrawn. So I would be targeting £5-10 for a win as this money, to me, has a tangible worth. Winning 10p is meaningless to me... I cant even buy 1 share in a worthy IPD player for that. But if I win £5+ for every Neymar MB win... this is really worth while.. as I can invest once, then keep recycling the winnings in cheap players. 10 shares @ 50p every couple of days, turning that into 10 shares at 70p becomes really profitable.

    With cap ap ONLY you have to keep selling shares to buy or making further deposits. Not everyone can endlessly deposit everytime they want to move into a new IPD striker for example

    So yes... I now have 1500 Neymar, 800 Pogba, 1000 rashford and not everyone can afford that in at all, let alone in a diverse port. But that means ill be winning £200-300 this week alone. That buys me 1000 shares in a bonucci or 300-500 shares in the 80-100p category. They will make cap ap and ipd and maybe PB... so my initial outlay on Neymar and Pogba is now creating multiple revenue streams, and multiple players in my port that I could sell to generate more cash.

    Just as it isn't a sensible strategy for someone with £40 to buy 5 Pogbas .. its not sensible for someone with £5k plus to buy 20,000 Doherty. It skews the base price of a cheap player too much … too hard to sell... high risk timing it right.



  • @Mundek I'm not gonna go to the trouble of singling out the quote but I did say this morning that even as a holder of plenty of the top 20 I would still question the wisdom of buying in if you're on a modest budget. It's there for you to read.

    I could easily of said just lump your few 100 quid on pog but i didnt. What i did do though is spell out the attraction of the top players. Most regular posters on here would say that it's not worth holding a div player unless u can hold at least 100. I've seen some who I know are bigger traders that me say the same thing.

    On the other hand, we have seen rises in some of the top players that would have given significant ROI even to smaller traders. I'm talking about sterling, rashford, Joao felix, KDB. All of these were fairly predictable. And the beauty here is they are still an easily saleable asset.

    I know from experience that if you hold Jose De La Bloggs,who is kicking about the lower reaches of la liga, you can watch him rise, but there comes a point where traders lose interest u have to IS to realize profits because hes no longer the in thing. The top end always will be.



  • @Dan-The-Man

    I wasn't aware of the convo you have quoted there, I was talking about this one and Hendo, but fair enough. On the other point it's not false. I haven't lost £1, I still hold him. If you think he will stay at the price he currently is or, more to the point, that I would sell him at this price then you are wrong. I haven't lost anything, except potential opportunity. And that could be said of any investment. If you put money in one player you are missing the opportunity to put it in another. This is gambling, you have to choose your opportunity. One of the opportunities I have opted for is a player that will consistently produce cash for me to take other opportunities and who will, in my opinion, go up in price too.

    If your overall argument is that there are better investments than Pogba at any given time over a given time frame, then you're quite right. The same argument can be made about any player on here. Sancho was a shit investment between the end of March and the end of June. Stagnant, dropping even. No divs. Worthless. Nobody is great all the time on here. But Pogba gives you divs most of the time, and because you are holding for divs, NOT CAP APP, he is a worthy investment.

    If your argument is that Pogba is a bad investment for the coming season in general, then you're just wrong, unless you think he is leaving this window.



  • @Sill7 I could instant sell my port now and still have made multiple times what Pogba has returned divs in a year.
    The never ending thing of a lot of Pogba holders blowing his trumpet and questioning why anybody would sell him is frankly boring and is just a huge never ending pump.
    Holding Pogba is not the quickest way to maximising profit on here end of. But as I’ve already said his yield is great and if you want to passively watch your 30% come in it’s not bad business. Just don’t get caught holding the day it’s announced he’s leaving in January or next summer.



  • @Vespasian32 said in [For any new traders out there just buy pogba]

    But if u spent the pog divs on ferreyra they'd have earned you over 100% and then pogba will payout again and again and again over next 3 years.

    With Doherty you have to sell to get any money back, then keep getting good buys. It's like betting on roulette and covering every number except the green goblin 0. In this booming market you can keep getting good cap ap, but eventually youl land on 0

    Well 2 things there mate.

    1.) If you bet your Pogba stake money on Ferreyra instead of the divs... you'd have made 100% of your Pogba money instead of 100% of the 0.2% dividend payment. By tying your money in up in Pogba, you lost that opportunity.

    2.) You're right, I can't pick the Doherty every time but by that same token, you can't pick the Ferreyra every time either. So the Pogba divs you won, could just as easily be diminished. All the while though... your Pogba futures are depreciating as he approaches the 3 year hold limit.

    Pogba is the stable cash cow where you can use the returns to spread on ipd and cap ap targets

    That right there is the trap though buddy. Look at the numbers in the spreadsheet... he's lost money over the last 3 months not gained money.



  • @Timothee-Atouba you, like dan, miss a huge point. Whatever you are investing in instead of Pogba, I can invest in with my Pogba divs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as I say it allows multiple streams.
    Lets say Volland is injured for a season tomorrow and Leverkusen state Alario or Pojanpolo is now first choice... how do you jump on that trade as it's now huge value added? You have to deposit, or sell. I can just put my div winnings in. The returns are so frequent on Neymar and Pogba it allows me a very flexible approach.

    you buy 10,000 Doherty at 40p and he's worth 70p and you are sitting on paper profit … but you then need to sell hundreds/thousands shares to move money... then if you make one bad decision you lose a chunk of your capital.

    I can put 5k in Pogba and ignore his paper value … as he keeps giving me cash -> I reinvest the cash in all kinds of players with different strategies... so 6 months down the line I may now have 100 players while you are still transferring 10,000 Doherty into 15,000 Henderson then into 3000 alcacer… needing to make a good decision every time.



  • @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    he's lost money over the last 3 months not gained money.

    hes lost nothing, his current value today is meaningless - he could be £10 in a month... he could be £5, that only matters when I decide to sell... but I have made £800 cash off him... that cash has bought me vanaken (300% cap ap when I sold) El ghazi (280% cap ap when I sold) Ferreyra (Currently 116% I haven't sold yet)



  • @Vespasian32 said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    Just as it isn't a sensible strategy for someone with £40 to buy 5 Pogbas .. its not sensible for someone with £5k plus to buy 20,000 Doherty. It skews the base price of a cheap player too much … too hard to sell... high risk timing it right.

    That's a false choice though mate.

    You don't need to buy 20,000 Doherty, because there's an absolute wealth of players growing on the market.

    I bet you could give me 20 players who will grow to spread that across with a fairly high success rate.



  • @Vespasian32 said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    he's lost money over the last 3 months not gained money.

    hes lost nothing, his current value today is meaningless - he could be £10 in a month... he could be £5, that only matters when I decide to sell... but I have made £800 cash off him... that cash has bought me vanaken (300% cap ap when I sold) El ghazi (280% cap ap when I sold) Ferreyra (Currently 116% I haven't sold yet)

    Sorry mate but you're kidding yourself.

    Your Pogba futures will expire. There does come a point where you have to cash out. So you can't just say... "this £800 is profit". It's not profit until you cash out your futures in Pogba or surpass his stake money in dividend payouts, at which point, only the bit that surpasses his stake money is profit.



  • @Vespasian32 Forget maximisation. Can you or can you not park your thousands on Pogba somewhere for a better return?



  • @Vespasian32 Furthermore, I needn’t sell anybody if I’d like to “jump on” somebody. I’ll just deposit.



  • @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    When you say, you'd never sell. I say this friendly... wake up mate.

    I didn't mean or say that I would never sell. I was talking about now, as you were.



  • @Timothee-Atouba said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    I’ll just deposit

    ah so you have a bottomless pit of money and a pet unicorn. good for you



  • @Timothee-Atouba that is @Vespasian32 whole argument for Pogba. Not everyone can deposit 100s of £ every time they want to "jump on" somebody, hence why if you hold Pogba/Neymar, they constantly win divs and putting money into your account, allowing you to then "jump on" somebody. That is his thinking if I'm correct



  • @Vespasian32

    Your shares of Neymar are bigger then my whole port 🤓... and that why we are playing in different leagues mate! Two completely different ways to make money... anyway, can I ask what % of divs yield you reached from first day till now cuz mine is about 3% (£250 divs, port £7.5k) 🤔



  • @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Vespasian32 said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    Just as it isn't a sensible strategy for someone with £40 to buy 5 Pogbas .. its not sensible for someone with £5k plus to buy 20,000 Doherty. It skews the base price of a cheap player too much … too hard to sell... high risk timing it right.

    That's a false choice though mate.

    You don't need to buy 20,000 Doherty, because there's an absolute wealth of players growing on the market.

    I bet you could give me 20 players who will grow to spread that across with a fairly high success rate.

    I regularly come up with gems.. but each gem rises quick then will stagnate when they find an appropriate base price. its exhausting and for my risk adversity only ever going to be a portion of my portfolio strategy. If you can afford the elite players, id advise allotting a portion of your port to them.. they will consistently return cash - whether they are injured, on strike, off form etc.



  • @Andy said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Timothee-Atouba that is @Vespasian32 whole argument for Pogba. Not everyone can deposit 100s of £ every time they want to "jump on" somebody, hence why if you hold Pogba/Neymar, they constantly win divs and putting money into your account, allowing you to then "jump on" somebody. That is his thinking if I'm correct

    So let’s put our 4p from yesterday out of a £7 odd player into other players when you could just put your Pogba outlay into players that are likely to appreciate?



  • @Specksynder said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    @Dan-The-Man said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    When you say, you'd never sell. I say this friendly... wake up mate.

    I didn't mean or say that I would never sell. I was talking about now, as you were.

    Ok... so when will you sell?

    • He's getting older every day which impacts trader interest.
    • The date he leaves the Premiership is getting closer by the day.
    • The date the media find a new star is drawing closer by the day.

    When do you get out?

    Bare in mind... he' lost over a pound per future in value since April.



  • Why don’t Pogba holders just enjoy their yield instead of pumping him to bursting point and questioning the sanity of anybody that sells.
    When there’s a new thread every couple of weeks about him being ‘dumped’ it could be telling people something.



  • @Timothee-Atouba said in For any new traders out there just buy pogba:

    Pogba outlay into players that are likely to appreciate?

    but you do that once - what if some are stinkers … there is no additional revenue stream. Pogba can make cap ap, he can win pb, he WILL win MB and provide frequent cash to fund your other strategies and purchases.


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