Port (bleeding badly)



  • @Tom77 said in Port (bleeding badly):

    I think the forum is very depressing reading at the moment.

    Go and listen to Fig ‘’s latest podcast for a bit of positivity 👍

    All summer was rocket emojis everywhere! Gotta take the rough with the smooth - we can't all have our ports rocketing all the time. I'm pretty sure if everyone zooms out and looks at their 6 month profit figures they'll still be very happy. Times like this it's vital to stay calm and level-headed.



  • It all started that sunday night when luis muriel came off the bench for atalanta and scored a hat trick. That was a high point for my port as I held 300 of him and was well happy with the rise, little did I know it was the start of all this.

    I've made a decision to give it till the end of October. If were still seeing this current market behaviour then I'm gone, simply because this is not what I signed up for.

    May seem hypocritical after the advice I was offering scouse last night but the truth is I really cannot disagree with him



  • Jesus - people need to take a deep breath.

    Anyone leaving now will regret it in 12 months & more so 5-10 years down the line when it's an established product across Europe.

    It will be like missing out on Bitcoin by selling at double your money rather than waiting to see the £1m paycheck! 💰

    Fools if you go - I'll be busy topping up on the cheap shares.



  • @janner73 said in Port (bleeding badly):

    @Tom77 said in Port (bleeding badly):

    I think the forum is very depressing reading at the moment.

    Go and listen to Fig ‘’s latest podcast for a bit of positivity 👍

    All summer was rocket emojis everywhere! Gotta take the rough with the smooth - we can't all have our ports rocketing all the time. I'm pretty sure if everyone zooms out and looks at their 6 month profit figures they'll still be very happy. Times like this it's vital to stay calm and level-headed.

    Offsetting current losses against historical gains is kind of a classic strategy for every gambler.. Or addict in general (1 ciggy now can't hurt as I used to smoke 20 a day....lost £500 on roulette today, but I won £700 last week so technically I'm still up...)

    Its a dangerous mentality. How much of your historic winnings would you let whittle away?

    I think the same as you... This is just a dip and we see dips and peaks and cycles. I'm gloomy now but positive I have a port full of potential. I just wouldn't think of it or phrase it as looking back at what you've made to date.

    You gain experience from peaks and troughs... But history doesn't always repeat itself, so rather than compensate for current losses with what you won previously, everyone should be taking a look at their port and assessing if they see potential going forward.



  • @Ericali of course theres that possibility but how far do you let FOMO take u. At the minute were fighting I losing battle with the straight up gamblers. If that's still the case by the end of october then I think we have to stop calling it a trend.

    I'm about 7 1/2 months in and this has been going on for virtually a month, by the date I've set thatll be 2 1/2 months, so 1/3 of my time on here.

    I dont know, maybe I will regret it but that's my thoughts at the minute



  • @Uncle-G said in Port (bleeding badly):

    Still keep thinking how big an effect the start up bonuses are making & how much fake money is actually in the platform, these people aren’t really going to give a shit about PB & MB until they actually put their own money in.
    How is this affecting the footie & the platform, anybody got any thoughts?

    Are you talking about the £500 risk free? It’s not fake, they have to put it in. If the are losing after 7 days FI, will make it up for them.

    It’s real cash, so real growth



  • @Vespasian32 I agree to a point. But this isn't traditional gambling and no market moves up in a straight line so I tend to look at it slightly differently. Obviously there comes a point where if the dips continue for a sustained amount of time then it's potentially time to re-evaluate the way I look at that.

    On the point around assessing port I completely agree but this is something that, maybe wrongly, I would take as a given whether my port is going up or going down. A rising port can be just as flawed as a falling port, but yes if anybody isn't assessing their port then they absolutely should.



  • @MickTurbo the market is still growing.... Eric mentioned the idea of FI eventually allowing us to buy shares in the company... Would you consider that... Or what about buying the trackers (I know they aren't trackers really but simple way of bulk buy)... That way you havent got the stress of worrying what the next trend is or whether it's logical.

    When I feel my understanding and edge is completely gone... Thatl be my route as regardless of my concerns about the current trend... The fact is the product is growing and the company are making money and the footie is going up most days. I always dismissed large port and trackers because whilst I could read the market it made more sense to pile high where I could spot the next spike and keep moving. So if as u say by October there is barely any resemblance of logic and its random risers and spikes... Just buy the top 200 and forget about it



  • I hoping this weekend will produce some growth, but last few weekends have just been slightly up then a big drops. I hate the way people are flipping back and force by the minute. This platform is turning into something I dont like. I am looking for stability over the week ahead, then slight profits within early october, if not im stepping out of the platform till after christmas, return once the idiots have got bored and left.



  • It's a little sad to see the same forum users who used to help newbies by telling them the market works in cycles and not to worry, now talking about taking their money out because they are making x loss. I realise some are reasoning the way they are losing money that may lead to them leaving, but surely it's just a cycle. Once new users start losing money with higher spreads and commission, then they are either going to change tactics or leave.

    Hate bringing Pogba up again, but he's been mentioned on this thread so fuck it. If these short term users are jumping on players who are in a starting eleven, guess what's going to happen when Pogba is fit again? If he signs an extension with Man U, he's probably getting divs for the week. If he comes out as refusing to sign, he probably wins lots of divs, if he states his intention to leave, transfer spec and Pogba's last season. If he gets MB divs 2 or 3 days on the trot, what are these short term users going to do?

    The short term trading is not working in your favour currently, but think a little further. How far are the small teams going to progress in Europe? Probably group stages and then the big boy players (top 200)start winning.Who are going to be the big rises in the Euros? Probably Pogba, Mbappe, Griezmann, Werner, Kimmich, Havertz, Kane, De Bruyne, Bernardo Silva to name a few.

    The cream rises to the top and once these patterns start emerging, the sporadic trading will slow down/stop once people realise they are losing money in commission and spread.

    For 3 year holders, a lot are thinking incredibly short term. I realise these traders will have a lot of money in, in which case, maybe a reassessment of 'have I put in more than I am willing to lose' (a regular piece of advice on the forum) may be beneficial.

    When I started, my goal was to make 15% to make it more worthwhile than in savings. If I instant sold my portfolio now, I'd be in the high 30%s. At my peak I was in the 40%s so while I am down on my peak, I am effectively shitting on an ISA.

    Sorry for another long post



  • @Jimbob said in Port (bleeding badly):

    @ScouseSte been a shocking few weeks eh? I'm off to Tenerife on Saturday, can't wait to see the back of my portfolio for a fortnight, just hope I'm not bankrupt when I get home!

    Might see you there !!!

    Will be in Linekers for the Foxes v Spurs game if you are around



  • @Moukoko I agree with what you said, but as someone mentioned in here earlier (I think it was @MickTurbo or @janner73 apologies if it wasn’t you 2 and I credited the wrong people) but it’s the way the ports are dropping at the moment. They used Salah as the perfect example, performing well but dropped about 40p in the last few weeks. All of us to a certain extent are fine losing money, that’s how a market works, it goes up and down with reasoning behind it. With the Salah example and lots of other players though, the drops make little to zero sense, that’s where a few people are slightly concerned with the way things are heading.



  • @bernardb Not landing until the evening sadly, are you there now? What's the weather like, scorchio?



  • @Moukoko said in Port (bleeding badly):

    It's a little sad to see the same forum users who used to help newbies by telling them the market works in cycles and not to worry, now talking about taking their money out because they are making x loss. I realise some are reasoning the way they are losing

    The thing is that the cycles were in certain types of players (ages, positions, leagues, etc) and if you had positioned yourself well, you could ride it out. But now there seems to be a very random element to it all - and people who have honed strategies and mentalities are very spooked by it. It is different from a normal cycle of trending players, it is a whole new index behaviour.



  • @Andy said in Port (bleeding badly):

    @Moukoko I agree with what you said, but as someone mentioned in here earlier (I think it was @MickTurbo or @janner73 apologies if it wasn’t you 2 and I credited the wrong people) but it’s the way the ports are dropping at the moment. They used Salah as the perfect example, performing well but dropped about 40p in the last few weeks. All of us to a certain extent are fine losing money, that’s how a market works, it goes up and down with reasoning behind it. With the Salah example and lots of other players though, the drops make little to zero sense, that’s where a few people are slightly concerned with the way things are heading.

    Salah doesn't have a right to be expensive, by all accounts mane has been is equal in the last six months so money has gone into him a bit.
    Things do change and people buy different players - its football, last years hero might not be this years.



  • @kristiang85 This is the key to me - the market has become both highly volatile and highly unpredictable. I'm not saying we need the market to be predictable in the sense that it what happens is inevitable, but you need to be able to make reliable predictions on it if you are willing or able to put in the requisite work to understand it, otherwise the platform is a no better way of making money than just rolling a dice.

    For me this points to dividends being absolutely crucial - it always comes back to this. Meaningful dividends that actually reward traders sufficiently, is essential for the stability and sustainability of the market long term. The PB matrix now appears to be just the right mix of skill and chance combined to make it very interesting, but the dividends on offer don't make it a strong enough driver of trading. And traders seem to have forgotten all about MB - I don't see any trading based on MB at the moment.



  • @Tom77 Yet Salah is still by far a better MB hold. While Mane has been a terrific player over the past season, he hardly generates any media buzz, while Salah is a media darling. It's not all about how good a player is.

    One of the things that appears to have happened is that traders are almost ignoring MB altogether at the moment.



  • @Tom77 I think you’ve missed my point here, I’m not saying Salah has a god given right that he must be over £5 - of course he doesn’t - no one has a given right to be over any price. It’s the way his price has dropped that makes little sense to most people on here. Using your mention of Mané (and most players in the top 50 actually) they’ve all taken either a dip or absolute nosedives in the past few weeks with little to no signs of stopping. They might flatline for a day or two, then the drop just continues



  • The cycles are still happening they are just harder to see. The IPD cycle has fell back and now PB performers are getting the boost the problem is that people dont seem to be studying the platform or players properly. They are buying players after the 2pm deadline and usually buying in play from reading the PB leaderboard. I believe they are doing this in the hope the same player will win week after week and when the dont they sell.

    The cycles are happening but unfortunately the very short term mentality isnt changing. Its worth remembering not all cycles or behaviours change i started this time last year and shortly after the “youth bubble” started and time after time people spoke of cycles and how the bubble will burst but investing in youth is as big as ever amd no wonder we are betting players futures so youth seems like the obvious bet.

    For me the only way to alter the short term mentality is to make MB and PB dividends a lot more enticing and make people think about how much a player could return over 3 years they could maybe even raise commission slightly to coincide with a dividend increase



  • @Black-wolf I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there regarding PB. People clearly haven’t done their research as they are buying after the 2pm deadline, which is pointless as they won’t win anything unless they score/assist.


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