Port (bleeding badly)



  • @MrWh1te said in Port (bleeding badly):

    @ScouseSte
    If you had £5000 in your fi account 1st august and now its down to £4500, you are probably doing something drastically wrong.

    I did say greed OR not following stats properly.

    Haha unreal! Can you be a little MORE patronising next time please?

    You're in the "I'm alright Jack" camp I see. Good luck to you



  • @ScouseSte My port has dropped too. I am just realistic.
    The market is correcting.

    I predicted this and you all hammered me for it. I was told 'prices will drop low and then people will buy back in'. repeatedly.

    I said this would happen, and was slated on these forums.

    I would rather it self-corrects and is sustainable than they raise divs 'if' they cant afford to and go under.



  • @MrWh1te how do you know they can't afford to do it? Personally I think that would be worrying for their business model that the market could double and can't afford even a small increase? That they are that bad at making money. Do you know where they are reinvesting their profits? Since I've been on the platform I haven't really seen many improvements on the tech side (I know there is the new site coming and has been right around the corner for months). All I want is some clarity in what their roadmap is for dividends.

    Also side note but you have been super patronising to @ScouseSte who has brought up fair points.



  • @Dr-Jan-Itor
    No I don't know if they can afford them to do it. I DO trust them to do it when they can, it just makes sense.
    Yes I do know where they are reinvesting their profits (substantial amounts are going into advertising and tech).
    They gave clarity, they said there are no plans to increase them.



  • I’m currently 4.01% up in the last 7 days which is over £900 on my current portfolio. I’ve invested heavily in the RB teams since the start of the season though so perhaps I’m one of the fortunate few.



  • Hi everyone

    So its been an interesting month so far as a new user (since July) I can say that i honestly don't know what to make of it. A dip/drop like this, the like of which i have not seen before in my short time here on the platform, i am not going to lie it is been very disconcerting. Its been hard watching the profit i had built up over the last two months dwindle away for no apparent reason (8.5% at its peak down to 2.54% currently). When things started to slide i began to track my portfolio performance on a graph against my deposits and to be fair by doing this i actually alleviated a few fears as yes there were a few dips here and there but there was always a mini recovery, this week its not looking so good. For those that are interested my graph of my port performance is below,

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    Its all very well saying that peoples all time profits are still high and that this is just a cycle or just a correction and yes i am well aware that this is a gambling platform and that no one has a god given right just to make free cash out of this. However myself and people who joined around the same time as me just have not had the time to build up up some mad ROI % and have not benefited from the numerous deposit bonuses that have been done over the last year nor did we benefit from the share split either. So this drop does feel like a bit of a kick in the teeth so to speak (rightly or wrongly) Having said that I want to be here for the long haul and i am not looking to pull out my money especially now as there there is no point in doing so as i would lose most of what profit i have to FI's Commission so i guess i will have to stick it out.

    What i would like to know is, those of you out there that feel that this is nothing more then just another FI cycle, how confident are you in this assumption can you put a % on it ? how long are we expecting this current cycle to last before it changes?

    More importantly is this actually a good opportunity for those of us that trade in the top 200 market. After all people are always saying that you should always try and buy the dip on individual players, well the players are dipping everywhere, maybe the right move is to invest more capital increase player holdings while they are cheap and when the market in the top 200 recovers (which it must do at some point whether this is by just the changing o f the current cycle or by some sort of div increase or whatever) then when you come out the other side (provided that you have a port filled with good players and div earners) then you should be in a better position after the dip then you were before?

    Like i say i really don't know what the right call is, would appreciate any insight from those who have been around the block a few times and have seen this happen before. Like does this happen (money draining out of the top 200 players) on a regular/periodic basis like every few months or so or whatever and its something that if you trade in the top end of the market you just have to deal with?

    Today was the day that i had marked in the calendar to increase my holdings in both Sterling and Sancho by another 10 futures in each in order to renew their IPD potential over the next 30 days, while the fixtures for City and Dortmond are good.

    Now i am not so sure if i should bother, I guess i got to 2pm to decide.



  • @Chris-C

    Hi Chris

    That's the key point...NOBODY KNOWS where is a safe bet to put your money right now.
    Your guess is as good as ours mate!

    Good luck whoever you go for. I hold Sterling but I'm reluctant to even recommend HIM because if he scores it's still possible he will drop. The index is batshit crazy right now 😂



  • @ScouseSte

    yep bat shit crazy sums it up nicely, and that's without taking into account having to play Pep Roulette each week with my luck it will be Sterling rested on the bench like KDB last time around.

    Good luck to you as well, hope Salah has a good week for you and picks up some value, i don't hold so at least i dodged that bullet.



  • @ScouseSte I don't mean to be rude but i feel like you are building up a certain degree of self-induced hysteria. Yes the market is very volatile. I feel that i am still sticking to my low-risk strategy and I am fairly steady at the moment. For example at the end of the season i started to buy low cost Euro 2020 players as well as low cost players who had qualified for the Europa League. I wont give specific examples in this thread as i don't want to look like i am pumping in this discussion, but i regard these to be safe (ish) low cost options. so far none of them are coming in lower than i bought them for.

    As i mentioned in another thread, there are clear arguments as to why to top players are dropping. Just because they have always risen in the past and paid a level of MB/PB in the past doesn't mean they should continue to sky rocket.



  • @NewUser731
    Once again, it's not about skyrocketing or greed or anything like that. It's about players who are playing well, scoring, are in the champions league and yet are losing BIG AMOUNTS. No injury concern, no fear of getting dropped, still winning divs. Yet their share prices plummeting.

    All I want is for them to at least RETAIN their price - if they are injured or playing badly then I'll accept the drops but these irrational drops I do not accept



  • @ScouseSte I have a portfolio of 31 players and now up £975 for the past 7 days on a portfolio of around £25K. So it can be done.



  • I don't think top players are falling with no reason though.



  • @ScouseSte By logic though the drops aren't irrational in that other users think it is rational to sell their shares. The whole premise of the platform is that every person sees value in different areas. I hold some of the big players, and some of the medium players who have dropped in price. With every one of them i can accept a reason why they have dropped. If you cant see any reason at all for these players to fall then you may well find more of your players dropping and yourself unable to sell.



  • @MrWh1te This is exactly the point.



  • @ScouseSte said in Port (bleeding badly):

    @NewUser731
    Once again, it's not about skyrocketing or greed or anything like that. It's about players who are playing well, scoring, are in the champions league and yet are losing BIG AMOUNTS. No injury concern, no fear of getting dropped, still winning divs. Yet their share prices plummeting.

    All I want is for them to at least RETAIN their price - if they are injured or playing badly then I'll accept the drops but these irrational drops I do not accept

    I haven’t looked but please give me an example of a top player fitting all that and dropping huge amounts

    In % please.



  • @ScouseSte said in Port (bleeding badly):

    @NewUser731
    Once again, it's not about skyrocketing or greed or anything like that. It's about players who are playing well, scoring, are in the champions league and yet are losing BIG AMOUNTS. No injury concern, no fear of getting dropped, still winning divs. Yet their share prices plummeting.

    All I want is for them to at least RETAIN their price - if they are injured or playing badly then I'll accept the drops but these irrational drops I do not accept

    From reading your posts, I can see you are struggling with things at the minute mate, and I'm aware how long you have been on the platform.

    Losing money is never fun.

    But maybe the market behaviour at the moment is completely rational. Perhaps the top third of the market is already overpriced, and has been for months.

    What will happen in the future is open to debate, but consider this.

    The lower end of the market continues to bridge the gap with the top end. In this instance, a dividend increase would be the natural step once this has occurred.

    Thereafter, users start to see value in the top end once more and the proven dividend winners surge away, as they always do.

    These are the cycles of the index.

    Then we all start asking for another share split. 😉

    Show some patience and you will be rewarded mate, I'm almost certain. The bet lasts 3 years.

    You will not leave empty handed. I can guarantee you that.



  • @johnboywalker you talk some sense. 👌

    You can top up & accept your going to be in the red for however long the trend goes - probably until the next dividends increase.

    AC said in May they have no plans to increase dividends for the foreseeable, why would he change his mind just 4 months later? - Of course he could, 🤔 but why would he when the footie is generally up? Likely to be the Euro's for me or next season before it happens.

    They are spending big on advertising, marketing & technology advances at present. The have to manage the money carefully. There's no point putting dividends up if they have to reduce them again if the going gets tough. That would be the nail in the coffin.

    So stick with the red & wait for the wind to change (which it will) or if you want to continue to see more instant profits, change strategy, leave the top guys alone & go where the market increases currently are.

    Both choices will prove to be correct in the long run - just one will be more profitable than the other.



  • @NewUser731 @MrWh1te @TeamGB @johnboywalker @janner73 all consistently talking absolute sense at the minute.....

    Sorry if I've missed anyone off with one or two comments but that was just off the top of my head as they've all been very vocal recently. 👍



  • @Ericali you've lost your head... Mr White has never and will never talk sense. Just the side of the argument you are on. I don't really disagree with anything the others are saying, when it comes to voice of reason can't look beyond @janner73



  • @Vespasian32 said in Port (bleeding badly):

    @Ericali you've lost your head... Mr White has never and will never talk sense. Just the side of the argument you are on. I don't really disagree with anything the others are saying, when it comes to voice of reason can't look beyond @janner73

    It's not the side of the argument I'm on....

    If you read my above post, I've said both sides will ultimately end up correct. Just one side will out perform the other.

    The side what's "losing" now just needs to stop panicking about seeing red.

    If you can't handle seeing red then your not a long term trader.

    Better off going where the money currently is - and it's not with the top 50.

    People can choose their own path.

    The mentally weak will take their ball in because they've made 50%+ then lost 5-10% over the past 6-8 weeks.

    18 months later (after the dividend increases) they will be left ruing a missed opportunity.


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