Port (bleeding badly)



  • @Moukoko Daka, Minamino, Hwang Hee-Chan, Erling-Halland, etc all likely to have a decent rise in the next few days if they play and beat Genk in the Champions league.



  • With the big, high price players, it seems like if they don't win divs then people are dumping them. Kane, Rashford, Sancho - all these guys had good games but have seen their prices drop.

    I think a lot of traders need to get some perspective - even the best players can't win divs every game. These guys are getting themselves into good scores and consistent performances which shows they will win divs eventually. People just need to be more patient!



  • @Wotabeast I’m just 1 step forward 2 steps back..
    is fi turning into a short term trading or is there long term opportunities still on offer? Like you say not every one can win divs



  • @Friedeggs my port is losing money as well. Rashford, Pulisic, Maddison,Tielemen, Griezmann, Emerson, ilicic, Pogba. to name a few of the losers this week. I’m going to hold them and hopefully they’ll come good soon or I’ll have to try something else.



  • It's a short term game now. Writing has been on wall since IPDs introduced. My port is volatile as a result. Some weekends flying... Not this one though.



  • Realistically, do you think we'll see a return to long term trading without a direct dividend increase (I know they've just introduced Euros dividends....)?



  • My port has been doing nothing but drop the past couple weeks. It felt like everyone who has the same players as me just had a mass sell off. KDB, Rashford, Griezmann, Brandt, Barella. All of them have decreased for me in the last week by large margins. Only player that has seen a rise for me is Mbappé and he's injured!
    Do people think they will recover?



  • @Wotabeast said in Port (bleeding badly):

    With the big, high price players, it seems like if they don't win divs then people are dumping them. Kane, Rashford, Sancho - all these guys had good games but have seen their prices drop.

    I think a lot of traders need to get some perspective - even the best players can't win divs every game. These guys are getting themselves into good scores and consistent performances which shows they will win divs eventually. People just need to be more patient!

    I personally don’t hold any of the premiums but I think it’s quite straight forward as far as they’re concerned. They are desperate for a dividend increase.



  • I think everybody should take a breath.
    There will be clarity in the coming days with the FI birthday nearly here. Will there be a bonus? Will there be a dividend increase? If neither at least there is clarity because there is anticipation and people no doubt will have been selling, building cash balances etc.



  • @Timothee-Atouba yes and once that is known I will make my next steps



  • IPD's are good because they give value to otherwise worthless players. But ppl IS good holds causing the dips we keep feeling, to buy up some dirt cheap player who's got 3 goal involvements that day.

    So your IS'ing a £3 odd player, paying 15-25p + 2% commission of say 7p, ultimately your paying probably 30pps. Therefore, unless your buying a player who is 1/10th or less of the value of the sold share, you're not even breaking even before spread and commission.

    Example: so u IS Foden. I use this example cos hes -5p today so it's clearly happened. U pay 20p spread then 7p commission. From a £3.64 share, u see 3.37. Even if the player you buy scored a hat trick, unless hes <34p yours not getting enough of him to cover your commission with your IPD's.

    So hes 33p and hes banged a hat trick in. You get 10 for every foden u sell, meaning u get 3p x 10 in dividends, turning a profit of 3p for every foden sold. Fuckin smashing, you are the wolf of FI.

    But every other genius has done the exact same thing. So take Christian Gunter. Hes up 8p today cos hes worth 2p in IPD's(meaning you need 14 of him just to cover the hit on every foden[eeven the sharpest will only have got 11]). Thing is his spread is widened to double that at 4p. Then theres 1p commission to sell him on. So for that 37p you're gonna see only 32p, but you've got you're mighty 2p worth of IPD's, so you'll actually recoup 34p so you've lost money on this trade as well to compound the 27p for every foden you've sold. And that's assuming you're lightning quick on the dump which will begin on the stroke of midnight

    Unless you are in on a player before the rise starts or virtually immediately after, your losing money.

    Surely this trends not gonna last forever



  • @Collymore10 said in Port (bleeding badly):

    @Timothee-Atouba yes and once that is known I will make my next steps

    Looks like it could be a static week for you then in more ways than one ;)



  • I can see there being much growth in the £5+ players at the moment . I think £7ish is around the celling for players at the current dividend payout. Once players start approaching that level growth will tail off as theres better value at the lower end of the market. Another reason you might be struggling is if your PB players just haven’t preformed well yet. It’ll probably take a dividend win or a few really high PB scores for them to go up but theres still only being 5 or so weeks of games so I wouldn’t worry if they aren't performing yet. When the inevitable dividend increase comes, the celling for the top players will increase and the best could be £10 rather quickly. In any case, I wouldn't worry mate.



  • @CJ0101 Sadly I don't see a dividend increase coming in near future. Adam Cole has made that clear in his Q&As albeit the last was a while ago now I think. I predict a bonus this week - as well as it being FI's birthday it feels like time for one to reignite the market.



  • @Hotspur I hope not. I don’t think artificial growth of a market that’s now looking restrained by its dividend structure is the answer.
    If they do it, I’d anticipate a record percentage of the ‘new money’ being withdrawn after bonus payments.



  • After barely seeing any growth and infact slowly losing it over the last few weeks, this weekend was exactly what was needed, PB players performed strong, all my quiet players got a goal or 2 and my whole port just did very well and now look in great form.... but actually my portfolio plummeted in price... this was the weekend i was waiting for as a pick me up, but the market has completely reacted differently and im seeing the worse losses since i joined, so change of tactics, everytime one of my players now spikes i'm going to sell so i can withdraw and only play with profit, a market this volotile shouldn't have the 10K+ i have put in, far too risky now and i dont have time to be a quick flipper



  • @MickTurbo you make a very strong point tbf but people new to the game will do it just because they see Foden not playing and Christian Gunter for example getting some quick dividends. It's feels as if new people have joined in last 2 months and their chasing shorter term pay outs. I'd like to think with up coming European games plus Euros next year the higher end players will have their day. Between now and then a div increase will happen I expect, more likely just PB and MB as they know money will come in on the bigger boys then

    P.s. Tbf Christian Gunter classed as a defender (small pump incoming) does have 3 winningable games coming up out of six and is playing wide midfield when Freiburg play 3-5-2 so could see a nice rise if you continue to hold.



  • I've had my best weekend since the season started. Strong performances from Plea and Orsolini who both got a good rise off the back of strong PB scores. Rises for Suarez as he returns to the team and Immobile as he scored once again. Delort also got a goal and assist so I got some bonus IPDs!

    There are PB players out there at the fraction of the cost of a Rashford etc. and they're doing rather well since the start of the season for a much kinder share price.



  • @Wotabeast The truth is most people won’t care what people say on this forum and buy low price players as they appear more affordable and usually make far more in capital appreciation than top players make in dividends.



  • @Shippers I'll take your word about the winnable fixtures but anyone buying after the first 3p rise will probs be in the red by quarter past midnight and I suspect ppl of this mentality will not look ahead the way you have and then patiently sit o their gunters. I suspect they'll IS at a loss and rebuy 8 foden for every 10 they IS'd today. Or worse still, they'll IS at a loss and repeat the process with whoever gets the opener in the west ham game tomorrow


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