The index is changing ... have you?



  • It has been for months ...

    FI expect those users that have instant sold the big boys (Pogba et al) to now reinvest that money in the cheaper players. I spoke about this a while back ... they want (and expect) us to bridge the gap between top and bottom. Lowering Pogba to raise Kroos for example.

    Media buzz has historically been the easiest way to make money on this platform. Previously, they actively encouraged this. They marketed Neymar/Pogba as the flag bearers for those seeking a sure thing. The Long term investors.

    Now, with so many changes in the backroom staff and company direction, it was clear that FI were driving towards a traditional gambling narrative.

    Media Buzz costs the index money, and ultimately, they will seek to lessen the impact it has on their running costs. More PB games, less guaranteed MB payouts. Problem solved.

    The current system for MB is broken beyond repair. The scoring system, how the articles are calculated, which media outlets are used. The full name/surname debate. There are so many issues here and the system is not transparent. I'm surprised the gambling commission haven't raised concerns with this area of the platform.

    Whereas the PB system is fair. I can check Opta data, and confirm the PB score is correct.

    But, with every new IPO that is launched, they dilute the market. They lessen the chance that Depay/Sterling/TAA will win PB.

    I can guarantee you, if the same 5/10 players continually win PB over the next 6 months, they will seek to change the scoring system, in order to make it 'fairer'. They want to make PB a lottery.

    The less predictive the index is, the less they pay out. The more we speculate, the more money they make as a business.

    I now feel like when I lose, it's no longer mick/vesp/eric that takes my money, its Adam Cole and the Football Index. Just like that fat prick Ray Winstone used to do on Bet365.

    I've only been playing with profit for a good while now. So I have less to lose than alot of you, but I can already hear my taxi pulling up outside ...

    My advice to you all ... only play with money you can afford to lose. The gold rush days are long gone, and risk/loss is no longer an unimaginable proposition.

    I walked away from Ray with a healthy profit when I eventually saw the warning signs. I'm getting that same feeling with the football index. That the odds are no longer in my favour, that the goalposts are being continually moved, and that the risks are starting to outweigh the rewards.

    The index is changing ... or is it just me?



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  • Massive overreaction for a up and down month or two.



  • @RU99 Hardly when you look at some of the decision making that has been going on in the past month or two. If it continually happens, it's no longer an anomaly, but is a pattern.
    Example: That monster PB score that Kroos posted the other day, why on earth were so many people buying him at 9pm? The deadline for dividends has gone by that point, and those people buying are buying at an inflated price. If they backed Kroos to score big PB, they should've already bought him at the start of the season.
    Halaand: Scores a hat trick against a pub team in the champions league, didn't even win PB and goes up by a quid. A quid!!!!!! Doesn't play in a PB league, and the only thing that can sustain his current price is a move to a top league in Europe. People that were buying him at that price is going to get burnt - can't even flip for an IPD profit at his ridiculous price



  • @johnboywalker have I misread a lot of your posts over the last couple of months or is this an epiphany?



  • It has definitely changed a lot in the last year at least with fi being able to change the rules when they want, making a 3 year bet so hard to place. They could say that they will stop mb and then everyone will have to sell there mb performers and that's great for them as it's more sales.

    I still love the platform but I do feel like it's more like second guessing what they are doing now than actually trying to find players that will suit today's situation.



  • @RU99 said in The index is changing ... have you?:

    Massive overreaction for a up and down month or two.

    I respect your opinion, and would like to thank you for taking the time to read my lengthy message. 🤣👍

    Each to their own mate.

    What I will say, is that I've been here 2 years and those that have read my posts previously, will know I seldom overreact, and when I speak on here, it's (usually 🤣) well thought out, structured and based on sound logic/reasoning.

    Whether folks agree or disagree is largely irrelevant. I just want to encourage some healthy debate around the points I mentioned.

    Hopefully it helps somebody along the way ...



  • @johnboywalker said in The index is changing ... have you?:

    It has been for months ...

    The current system for MB is broken beyond repair. The scoring system, how the articles are calculated, which media outlets are used. The full name/surname debate. There are so many issues here and the system is not transparent. I'm surprised the gambling commission haven't raised concerns with this area of the platform.

    I have actually raised exactly this point with customer services that i feel the way in which MB is managed may raise concerns for the gambling commission as it makes any bets placed subjective with no fixed terms as to what constitutes a winning bet



  • @Andy The sheep are providing good opportunities for holders to sell, often at over inflated prices. It’s all good as long as you, me and us aren’t the sheep.



  • I used to be a professional gambler before obviously getting banned and the one good thing about betting is that you know what the rules are and seldom if ever did I have to worry about that in my decision process. Now it seems like I'm more concerned on how much they will change the rules and when they will rather than if at all.



  • @Tom7471 I’d love to see a dividend increase, then no rule/scoring/match day moderations and no deposit bonuses for a season and let the market find its own way.



  • @Andy point being, these people doing this won't do it forever, they will only get their hands burnt in the long run.

    FI goes in these cycles - big boys pull away, people look for value elsewhere, gap shortens, big boys look more attractive after seeing continuous dividends, big boys pull away. Repeat. These will only be exaggerated during periods of high growth in new users, which is what we are in.

    If you hold the top boys, don't sell a single share, use your dividends to either top up or diversify - you will be up by a decent % in 12 months. Panic, and you may make money elsewhere in the market, you may not, but you would be aswell lumping on FGS on paddies each week.

    Come the second half the season - do you want a bunch of £1-2 players, or those that will be raking in PBs, MBs and big players in the Euros?



  • @MickTurbo said in The index is changing ... have you?:

    @johnboywalker have I misread a lot of your posts over the last couple of months or is this an epiphany?

    Nah, I think you are maybe right.

    Historically, I have been one of the most vocal supporters of this platform. I fuckin love it.

    But it is definitely changing, and now I don't know if she is still the same girl I married 2 years ago. Her priorities have changed. It's now all about her and less about me ...

    I want to love her again, I really do ... 🤣🤷‍♂️👸🏻



  • @Timothee-Atouba Agreed haha, I suppose as long as we aren't the ones doing it then it's fine. It just baffles me some of the decision making that's been going on the past month. Some of it literally makes no sense



  • @Tom7471 What was your specialist gambling area? Not adequate exchange liquidity?



  • Little has changed. FI always benefitted from people trading rather than sitting on a PB/MB king for a long period of time.

    When I started in April, no one on the forum or twitter were boasting about buying Pogba at £4 and now he's up to £6, they were posting screenshot of buying Joao Felix at at close to ipo or Kai Havertz for pennies

    The main difference I see is that Pogba isn't returning PB or MB and so is being sold off for players at better value. I say this as a Pogba holder. I am going to stick it out for a while and assess if worth selling at Christmas.

    IPOs was something the forum and twitter users were begging/demanding for continuously, FI put some out(badly) and now are being accused of diluting the market.



  • @johnboywalker It’ll be hard to love your wife again when she’s always out flipping blokes and jumping on goalscorers.



  • It’s clear that FI want to pay out less in MB. They will think it’s been far too easy for the big boys to reap up dividends, especially if they bought a few hundred shares in Pogba say two years ago. Easy way to combat this is to make less MB days which they have done by adding European qualifiers as PB days. Now they have opened up MB buzz to all of the index, again making it less likely a big hitter will win media buzz.

    So what’s next? Listing to the two Index employees (the CMO and COO) on Football Index Podcast they mentioned that they wanted to revisit how to media feed works since it hasn’t really changed in the four years the index has been active. I’m willing to bet one of the first changes they will make will be to get rid of United as a buzz word. I’m willing to bet that will save the 100s of thousands of pounds over the coming years as it will make it less likely Man U players (Pogdab, Rashford, Martial and the like) who are all well owned will win media buzz. If that happens I think it’s beyond certain there will be a fall across the board for Man U players since some of their value is in playing for a team that guarantees them a higher media score. If they really want to lower media buzz payouts that will be the next step. Add to the fact that media buzz got the lowest increase during the share split is another factor that tells you FI want to limit it growing.

    Another thing they talked about was adding foreign newspapers like Bild which again will make media buzz less predictable, protecting their bottom line.



  • @johnboywalker said in The index is changing ... have you?:

    @MickTurbo said in The index is changing ... have you?:

    @johnboywalker have I misread a lot of your posts over the last couple of months or is this an epiphany?

    Nah, I think you are maybe right.

    Historically, I have been one of the most vocal supporters of this platform. I fuckin love it.

    But it is definitely changing, and now I don't know if she is still the same girl I married 2 years ago. Her priorities have changed. It's now all about her and less about me ...

    I want to love her again, I really do ... 🤣🤷‍♂️👸🏻

    I feel exactly the same



  • @Andy said in The index is changing ... have you?:

    @RU99 Hardly when you look at some of the decision making that has been going on in the past month or two. If it continually happens, it's no longer an anomaly, but is a pattern.
    Example: That monster PB score that Kroos posted the other day, why on earth were so many people buying him at 9pm? The deadline for dividends has gone by that point, and those people buying are buying at an inflated price. If they backed Kroos to score big PB, they should've already bought him at the start of the season.
    Halaand: Scores a hat trick against a pub team in the champions league, didn't even win PB and goes up by a quid. A quid!!!!!! Doesn't play in a PB league, and the only thing that can sustain his current price is a move to a top league in Europe. People that were buying him at that price is going to get burnt - can't even flip for an IPD profit at his ridiculous price

    Because the platform has become more about taking money from each other rather than winning them via dividends from FI. You no longer need a player to win PB you just need them to put in a high scoring performance. IMO this is because the dividends are so low no one really cares about them as much anymore they are more like an insurance if you get left holding an overpriced player


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