Election 2019



  • @Dan-The-Man at no point have I made a 'hateful' statement, I have simply expressed that the nhs is overburdened mainly due to uncontrolled immigration, that is not hateful, that is me expressing an opinion. Or are you on the far left side of things that dont believe that someone shouldn't have an opinion if that doesn't match yours? So please dont tar me with that brush when you have no clue about me or my heritage



  • This debate on here is more informative and interesting to me then any of the crap the so called politicians sprouted during the TV debates. FI forum users should run the country.



  • As a trader from Ireland, if the UK comes out of the EU it will massively affect FI unless they introduce a euro lodgement application... It currently costs me 20% to transfer euro to sterling into my FI account which is ridiculous. If FI is to grow for the long term then they need more EU countries to join, but without a Euro lodgement account, big money will not come into the platform. I would love to add more funds to my account but just not worth it with these setup costs.



  • @Ddr said in Election 2019:

    @Dan-The-Man at no point have I made a 'hateful' statement, I have simply expressed that the nhs is overburdened mainly due to uncontrolled immigration, that is not hateful, that is me expressing an opinion.

    As a fine member of the FI forums, I have no doubt that you didn't mean the comment to be filled with hatred, but let me ask you...

    Was I a burden on the NHS in Scotland when I moved there, set up a business that employed 20 skilled people for 8 years?

    The tax paid in because of me hit 7 figures but according to you, because I'm an immigrant, I'm a burden.



  • @Dan-The-Man said in Election 2019:

    @Ddr said in Election 2019:

    @Dan-The-Man at no point have I made a 'hateful' statement, I have simply expressed that the nhs is overburdened mainly due to uncontrolled immigration, that is not hateful, that is me expressing an opinion.

    It is indeed hateful and ignorant and far too often have we seen people make similar statements then try to hide behind "I'm entitled to my opinion". Racism is an opinion... it doesn't mean we shouldn't call it out. As a fine member of the FI forums, I have no doubt that you didn't mean the comment to be filled with hatred but let me ask you...

    Was I a burden on the NHS in Scotland when I moved there, set up a business that employed 20 skilled people for 8 years?

    The tax paid in because of me hit 7 figures but according to you, because I'm an immigrant, I'm a burden.

    Stop talking crap, it was in no way hateful and if you see it that way then there is something wrong with your perception. What you are doing is not calling people out, it is censorship.

    And no you weren't a burden, you also weren't an immigrant

    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/who-counts-as-a-migrant-in-scotland/

    Let me ask you this, you started a company and had 8 skilled workers. How many immigrants to the uk do that? Compared to how many take on unskilled low paid jobs



  • Stop talking crap, it was in no way hateful and if you see it that way then there is something wrong with your perception.

    You called people who move here a burden and you think that's not hateful. Would you like to be called a burden? If you worked your bollox off, became a doctor, paid fortunes in tax, would you take kindly to someone making out you were a burden on society just because you were born elsewhere?

    And no you weren't a burden, you also weren't an immigrant

    Of course I was an immigrant, I moved country... My aunt now lives in Spain, she has a company way bigger than mine ever was, is she a burden on the Spannish?

    Let me ask you this, you started a company and had 8 skilled workers. How many immigrants to the uk do that? Compared to how many take on unskilled low paid jobs

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    More importantly, why do you care if they are doing unskilled jobs? They pay their taxes just like the rest of us. You've already accepted the fact that immigrants are highly profitable for the country. They are a net positive from a financial perspective.



  • @Dan-The-Man said in Election 2019:

    Stop talking crap, it was in no way hateful and if you see it that way then there is something wrong with your perception.

    You called people who move here a burden and you think that's not hateful. Would you like to be called a burden? If you worked your bollox off, became a doctor, paid fortunes in tax, would you take kindly to someone making out you were a burden on society just because you were born elsewhere?

    Wrong, i never called anyone a burden
    I said that the nhs is overburdened, so no that's not hateful.

    And no you weren't a burden, you also weren't an immigrant

    Of course I was an immigrant, I moved country... My aunt now lives in Spain, she has a company way bigger than mine ever was, is she a burden on the Spannish?

    Read the link on my previous post, due to the relationship between england, Scotland and being part of the uk, you were not regarded internationally as an immigrant

    Let me ask you this, you started a company and had 8 skilled workers. How many immigrants to the uk do that? Compared to how many take on unskilled low paid jobs

    Every Kebab house/Chinese restaurant in the country have staff. The people I hired from abroad were skilled workers.

    More importantly, why do you care if they are doing unskilled jobs? They pay their taxes just like the rest of us. You've already accepted the fact that immigrants are highly profitable for the country. They are a net positive from a financial perspective.

    Wrong I did not accept that theh are highly profitable, they represent approx 1%of GDP as per below, but they amount to 14% of the current population

    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

    Why do I care? Because there are huge numbers of uk nationals living on benefits who can do these jobs, and if they did then the net gain would be much more than any small profit that we make from uncontrolled immigration and in addition, this then keeps wages in low skilled jobs artificially low as I already explained in a previous post

    You also haven't taken into account the knock on effects of uncontrolled immigration like housing prices being forced up, lack of social housing etc

    You're just being a bigot, we're not going to agree so just leave it there



  • I will put my two pence in briefly. I only realised the "Torries" were conservatives yesterday. I definitely don't deserve to have an opinion on this thread.



  • ..and so the ‘remoaners’ continue to say that the recent election results do not reflect the majority view that we should leave the EU. It’s done, we are leaving. Embrace change and look positively to the future. The EU is cancer. Don’t believe me? Ask Greek Cypriots what the EU did to their country in 2012..



  • 2 elections since Brexit, both dominated by Brexit and the result has come back every time that this is what people want.

    We may not see why or think that they are wrong but ultimately everyone is free to fuck their life up as they see fit and the people have spoken

    The European experiment in England ultimately failed because immigration was handled badly and because not enough of the benefits were felt outside of London and the South East

    I think that those of us that wanted to leave and wanted this tory government removed now need to think about how we want the country to look post-Brexit and to think how we can make that happen (both on a personal and political level )

    I accept Brexit will happen. I think its a mistake but I hope to be proved wrong...

    On a political level, Labour now needs to move on and find a leader that connects with people and that has progressive policies that connect with people. I hope they come a little bit closer to the centre but I also hope that they stay a little more to the left than they were in the days of Blair and Brown, I think society needs it



  • @NewUser303261 down voting me for speaking the truth...typical ‘keyboard warrior’ behaviour. Accept you lost and get on with the rest of your life.



  • @Sol actually I downvlted you by accident, as you can see there are plenty of people who's views I dissagree with but haven't down voted.

    You speak alot of things, but truth isn't one of them. If you read my messages you'll notice I'm not denying any result, but critical about the party I vote for managing to alienate their vote base.

    I'll happily debate any points you have if you want a responsible debate. But if your just going to mindlessly rant then away with you sir.



  • I think whether people want brexit or not is now irrelevant and the debate needs to move on for the good of the country. Brexit will happen. The discussion should now be what kind of relationship do people want with the EU post-brexit.

    If people don't like the fact that the Tories won this election so convincingly then they need to ask why people couldn't vote Labour. You had people in Burnley, Blyth Valley, Darlington, Workington, Leigh, Bury, Wrexham, Don Valley etc etc that had never voted Conservative in their life...but they did this time.

    People are entitled to vote for who they like and if Labour couldn't convince the electorate to vote for them then their supporters can't blame voters, they can't blame the conservatives, they can only blame their own party. It's upto parties to win public support, not to take it for granted.

    In 45 years Labour has had 1 leader that has won a General Election. ONE. That was Tony Blair. The membership refuse to accept the fact that they can't win an election from so far left even though they haven't done it in most of our lifetimes.

    Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell, Thornberry, Starmer, Gardiner...they all have huge jobs in the shadow cabinet and are all London MPs. Many of them have been an MP for over 20 years. That shadow cabinet chose to save their London seats by backing a second referendum rather than supporting their leave voting seats in the North, Wales and the Midlands. It's a London centric cabinet of career politicians that are out of touch with what the ordinary people of those Northern constituencies want and why they want it.

    The truth is Labour just don't win elections. In my life time the Tories have won elections under Thatcher, Major, Cameron, May and Johnson. Labour have won under Blair.

    What Jeremy Corbyn has managed to do this week is lose the 2019 and 2024 election for Labour. Unless something huge happens we will now have 10 years of Conservative majority government. Another issue for Labour is their complete loss of Scottish voters. They cannot win a General Election with so few Scottish seats because English people by and large vote Conservative. The SNP prevent a Labour government just as much as the Conservatives do.



  • @NewUser303261 said in [Election 2019]

    You speak alot of things, but truth isn't one of them.

    Really? Name one lie that I’ve said in this thread. Looking forward to hearing your response since you would like to debate me on politics.



  • @Dan-The-Man up the tories only partywith sense



  • Labour ran on a love of the foreign and a disdain for the domestic. Their rallying cry was sneering contempt for the working class and a desire to see the native population replaced with an obedient and indebted migrant underclass. They hate the natives of this country and this new breed of ideologically possessed university brainwashed socialist that has come through their ranks made the fatal mistake that their predecessors knew not to, which was to be completely honest about their intentions.

    If a real working man, a miner dirty from the pit, for instance, had suddenly walked into their midst, they would have been embarrassed, angry, and disgusted; some, I should think, would have fled holding their noses. You can see the same tendency in Socialist literature, which, even when it is not openly written de haut en bos, is always completely removed from the working class in idiom and manner of thought.



  • @DillyDong oooooooooooo yeah! Space time continuum! Elizabeth said ‘go left’ and Macho went ‘right’!! Dig it! 😉



  • @DillyDong seriously though, your point above is 100% spot on and very well presented 👍🏼


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