Maybe we all have this wrong!



  • Hopefully this thread will not develop into an instant sell or Footstock discussion as it is a very contrarian view of the current situation.

    I have a good friend who is an independent bookmaker and he has explained numerous times that he has 2 ideal punters:

    1. The man who must have a bet on everything that is on in the shop, every horse race, every dog race even the virtual racing
    2. The man who does accumulator bets as he misses out on so many winners and even if the first few win the bet can be layed off.

    What he does not want is the savvy punter who bets say each way on the 2nd favourite in an 8 runner maiden race as if it wins the bookie loses if its 2nd or 3rd it generally breaks even and if the punter sticks to these kinds of infrequent bets the bookie hardly wins a thing.

    Now maybe the majority of the forum fall into that bracket here at Football Index. I wonder how many regular forum users there actually are maybe 100 but there are tens of thousands of traders in total.

    What if FI really just want the punters who buy players for this weeks fixtures in the hope of winning star man or getting IPD's then selling and moving on the next game.

    We could be the minority, sitting back holding players for long time periods seeing them increase in price, harvesting dividends and earning FI nothing!

    Maybe in reality they do not want us operating in this way but will put up with us because they have to and we add value to the balance sheet but we do not provide profit in the way the mug punter does.

    Could it be that Adam Cole and more to the point Akash do understand the product and who they really want using it, they have always said the average hold period for a player is way less than 3 years.

    Therefore maybe we are the minority and not the majority and hence the changes are irrelevant to the majority of happy short term match day gamblers they may have in there 1,000's.

    Not saying this is correct but it is worth discussing and considering.



  • It use to be the way buy a player, hold and play the long game FI Introduced 30day in play divs to try and get u to sell and re buy and always bringing in ways to get the market buying and selling
    But to be honest you can just pick which way u wanna play, after all no market buying and selling means it’s hard to pay the divs



  • They need long term holds by big investors to grow the market as they put more money in. The best marketing campaign is for people showing screenshot of big green numbers.

    They also need your gamblers betting on a game by game basis for the cheap commission.



  • @Fletch said in Maybe we all have this wrong!:

    Hopefully this thread will not develop into an instant sell or Footstock discussion as it is a very contrarian view of the current situation.

    I have a good friend who is an independent bookmaker and he has explained numerous times that he has 2 ideal punters:

    1. The man who must have a bet on everything that is on in the shop, every horse race, every dog race even the virtual racing
    2. The man who does accumulator bets as he misses out on so many winners and even if the first few win the bet can be layed off.

    What he does not want is the savvy punter who bets say each way on the 2nd favourite in an 8 runner maiden race as if it wins the bookie loses if its 2nd or 3rd it generally breaks even and if the punter sticks to these kinds of infrequent bets the bookie hardly wins a thing.

    Now maybe the majority of the forum fall into that bracket here at Football Index. I wonder how many regular forum users there actually are maybe 100 but there are tens of thousands of traders in total.

    What if FI really just want the punters who buy players for this weeks fixtures in the hope of winning star man or getting IPD's then selling and moving on the next game.

    We could be the minority, sitting back holding players for long time periods seeing them increase in price, harvesting dividends and earning FI nothing!

    Maybe in reality they do not want us operating in this way but will put up with us because they have to and we add value to the balance sheet but we do not provide profit in the way the mug punter does.

    Could it be that Adam Cole and more to the point Akash do understand the product and who they really want using it, they have always said the average hold period for a player is way less than 3 years.

    Therefore maybe we are the minority and not the majority and hence the changes are irrelevant to the majority of happy short term match day gamblers they may have in there 1,000's.

    Not saying this is correct but it is worth discussing and considering.

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. You are 100% right.



  • Defo certain elements of truth, but Id be willing to bet the "long term investers" represent a fair chunk of the money invested in the index, and at the end of the day they still get their 2%.

    Without the long term investers, alot of those prices would drop, just think how much money is in sancho long term.



  • They will want both types of trader but they will want as much trading as possible. The more short term trading there is the more they can reward the long term traders by way of dividends. The best thing they can do is have traders work in cycles where they plan for the long term then switch to short term and back again, that constant restructuring keeps all areas of the market interesting and must make FI a ton of money


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