MESSI- FI Magician πŸ§™πŸ»β€β™‚οΈβœ¨



  • The master still has it. One goal (also GWG) and racked up an impressive 243 to take star player. And that was with a yellow card -5 and a missed penalty -20. His ability to rack up points just pinging it around is Mesmerizing. He has a staggering work ethic like Ronaldo- and 2 years younger. There’s no reason he can’t be playing at high level for another 2-3 years.
    I sold 200 shares a couple months ago but his reliability in wracking up the dividends would just piss me off every time he won PB, so I bought back in. The plan is to hold for another year or two and take the dividend return. Any capital appreciation is just a bonus. Ppl’s thoughts?



  • The GOAT



  • @Valhalla similar thoughts really. Cut down my shares considerably but can't bring myself to sell completely as he is just too good.



  • @Hotspur yup. When the dividends start drying up I get cranky. And Messi is one of the best dividend returners there is. Happy to have the little master in my portfolio for a while longer.



  • Still 'resides' at egg coup



  • Amazing score. At this point, with Neymar out, he is almost a guarantee with GWG. Share split can't come soon enough though, the fact he hasn't seen any cap appreciation in the last month is a bit of a joke.



  • I love Messi and Ronaldo. They are the greatest footballers in the history of the game.

    But here's a controversial opinion. Take Ronaldo off free kicks and take Messi off pens.

    Messi's record when factoring in all competitions is closer to one in four missed, with 20 unsuccessful penalties out of 86. (Info from Marca.com)

    Ronaldo's record at Madrid in La Liga and Champions league combined is even worse. He took 407 free kicks and only scored 30 goals. A percentage of 7.3%. (Info from Goal.com)

    Woeful.



  • @johnboywalker Not over researched, Average penalty conversion is around 75% so Messi is a little above the average.

    On Ronaldo. I found a article that looked at the top 20 free kick conversion rates they used data from 2013/14 season til the 23rd Jan 2018. (must have taken over 20 free kicks to make the list) Interesting things I noted, these stats would be from his Real days, no other Real players make the list. So he takes all/most the free kicks. Even more interesting to me Juve have two better free kick takers in Pjanic and Dybala , with the latter being one of the very best in the world. Yet with Ronaldo now in the team Pjanic and Dybala have had to more aside. This ins't something new either have a look at the who scored chart I found from 2015 at the bottom. Ronaldo's stats this season stand at 0 goals from 13 attempts, the worst stats in the league. I dare say the other two would have done better.

    ZLATAN IBRAHIMOVIC Goals: 4 β€’ Attempts: 91 β€’ Success rate: 4.4%
    CRISTIANO RONALDO Goals: 7 β€’ Attempts: 112 β€’ Success rate: 6.25%
    LIONEL MESSI Goals: 11 β€’ Attempts: 165 β€’ Success rate: 6.67%
    HAKAN CALHANOGLU Goals: 10 β€’ Attempts: 99 β€’ Success rate: 10.1%
    KEVIN DE BRUYNE Goals: 4 β€’ Attempts: 35 β€’ Success rate: 11.43%
    ALEXIS SANCHEZ Goals: 5 β€’ Attempts: 42 β€’ Success rate: 11.9%
    NEYMAR Goals: 5 β€’ Attempts: 41 β€’ Success rate: 12.2%
    WILLIAN Goals: 4 β€’ Attempts: 31 β€’ Success rate: 12.9%
    SUSO Goals: 3 β€’ Attempts: 22 β€’ Success rate: 13.64%
    GAEL KAKUTA Goals: 3 β€’ Attempts: 22 β€’ Success rate: 13.64%
    WISSAM BEN YEDDER Goals: 3 β€’ Attempts: 22 β€’ Success rate: 13.64%
    WAYNE ROONEY Goals: 4 β€’ Attempts: 29 β€’ Success rate: 13.79%
    ROMELU LUKAKU Goals: 3 β€’ Attempts: 21 β€’ Success rate: 14.29%
    YAYA TOURE Goals: 4 β€’ Attempts: 28 β€’ Success rate: 14.29%
    ZLATKO JUNUZOVIC Goals: 5 β€’ Attempts: 35 β€’ Success rate: 14.29%
    DAVID ALABA Goals: 6 β€’ Attempts: 42 β€’ Success rate: 14.29%
    MIRALEM PJANIC Goals: 11 β€’ Attempts: 76 β€’ Success rate: 14.47%
    MARKUS SUTTNER Goals: 4 β€’ Attempts: 27 β€’ Success rate: 14.81%
    MAURICIO LEMOS Goals: 3 β€’ Attempts: 20 β€’ Success rate: 15%
    HENRI SAIVET Goals: 3 β€’ Attempts: 20 β€’ Success rate: 15%
    SEJAD SALIHOVIC Goals: 3 β€’ Attempts: 20 β€’ Success rate: 15%
    MARVIN PLATTENHARDT Goals: 6 β€’ Attempts: 37 β€’ Success rate: 16.22%
    FEDERICO VIVIANI Goals: 5 β€’ Attempts: 30 β€’ Success rate: 16.67%
    JAMES RODRIGUEZ Goals: 6 β€’ Attempts: 36 β€’ Success rate: 16.67%
    MARCO ALONSO Goals: 4 β€’ Attempts: 22 β€’ Success rate: 18.18%
    PHILIPPE COUTINHO Goals: 5 β€’ Attempts: 26 β€’ Success rate: 19.23%
    PAULO DYBALA Goals: 8 β€’ Attempts: 38 β€’ Success rate: 21.05%
    JUAN MATA Goals: 5 β€’ Attempts: 22 β€’ Success rate: 22.73%

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  • @johnboywalker said in MESSI- FI Magician πŸ§™πŸ»β€β™‚οΈβœ¨:

    I love Messi and Ronaldo. They are the greatest footballers in the history of the game.

    But here's a controversial opinion. Take Ronaldo off free kicks and take Messi off pens.

    Messi's record when factoring in all competitions is closer to one in four missed, with 20 unsuccessful penalties out of 86. (Info from Marca.com)

    Ronaldo's record at Madrid in La Liga and Champions league combined is even worse. He took 407 free kicks and only scored 30 goals. A percentage of 7.3%. (Info from Goal.com)

    Woeful.

    Here is a controversial opinion. Messi shouldn't even be in the conversation for greatest player of all time.

    He has spent his entire club career at one of the most dominant club sides in Europe playing against generally inferior players. Yes he has been amazing but he has been racking up the goals playing for a team that is designed to make him shine and playing alongside world class players generally better than the opposition.

    The only time, he hasn't been in a dominant side was with Argentina in a World Cup. This was his time to prove he could take a mediocre team and achieve greatness with it. Yes, it would take something incredible to take Argentina to success. But you know, if you are going to call someone the greatest footballer to set foot on the plant then I would expect him to be capable of doing something incredible. He failed. Every time.

    Wonderful club player, probably best player of his generation but not the best player of all time. Not anywhere near it ......



  • @mike778

    Id be interested to see this extensive list of players who are better footballers than Messi then.....



  • @mike778 replace controversial with wrong. Messi is the best ever.



  • I think he's in the top 4 (Pele, Maradona, Messi, Ronaldo) but I wouldn't want to try & place them in any order but I think this is probably the general consensus.

    The 5th best ever is a lot harder to debate.... So many are potential candidates.



  • If you took away all of Messi's goals , hed still be considered one of the greatest players ever
    could you say the same about Pele or Ronaldo?
    I think the only contenders alongside Messi are Maradona or Torben Peichnik and even then, Messi shades it IMO.
    if Higuan had scored that open goal in the WC Final 2014 there probably wouldnt even be a debate to be had.



  • @Ericali said in MESSI- FI Magician πŸ§™πŸ»β€β™‚οΈβœ¨:

    I think he's in the top 4 (Pele, Maradonna, Messi, Ronaldo) but I wouldn't want to try & place them in any order but I think this is probably the general consensus.

    The 5th best ever is a lot harder to debate.... So many are potential candidates.

    I think the issue with comparing players from different generations is that we never got to watch Pele twice a week. We only ever saw the highlight reels of all the good stuff.

    If you search on YouTube, you can find a video of Messi, arguably the greatest player in the world, being nutmegged by several players including Rabiot, Kaka and others.

    We saw Pele for a month every 4 years.

    I don't dispute that he was one of the finest players of his generation but often, nostalgia can create an exaggerated sense of brilliance.



  • You also have to consider fitness levels.

    Taking Pele back then and plonking him in a top league now, he probably wouldn't do a thing.
    You would need to bring him back with his skill levels but with current fitness levels, so the comparison will never be fair.



  • @johnboywalker I'm not so sure it is nostalgia πŸ€”

    He played for 21 seasons in all & scored 722 goals. 722 Γ· 21 = an average of 34 goals a season!

    When you consider he probably didn't hit these figures in his first few seasons after he started out as a 15 years old or indeed the latter stages of his career then in his pomp he was probably hitting 50-60 goals a season like Messi & Ronaldo did.

    I personally don't think there is anyone better than Maradona.

    And if you were to poll the Argentinian people either Messi or Maradona, I'm pretty sure Maradona would come out on top.



  • We are all familiar with the crossbar challenge on soccer AM & how difficult it is.....

    Well speaking of Maradona he did something similar in a training session about 25 years earlier.

    He lined in 6 balls on the edge of the box aiming at the posts each time. He hit either post on each of the first 5 occasions then chipped the GK on the 6th - just jaw dropping 😱

    If you have ever played football you will know how hard this is!

    Found the link (watch with the sound up & you can hear the balls pinging off the posts)
    https://youtu.be/M1lZsFy6seo



  • Ronaldinho could do the same. The one I always tried was the 7 point touch. Did it once after a game first time ever few of the players girlfriends where watching and jaws hit the floor. Didn't tell them I've been trying for years and that was first time I've ever done it smooth.



  • @Misto what's the 7 point touch? πŸ€”



  • Right foot volley on to right knee right should head then back down to the floor on the left.


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