European Elections



  • @Munchie63 The 350 million on the back of the lorry was an out and out lie.

    At the time of the referendum, who knew what brexit would look like? The answer is nobody. Not a single soul actually knew what brexit would actually look like. So nobody has been reliably informed of what brexit is.

    Refute it all you like. But you couldn't give an accurate picture of brexit, and most likely still cant.



  • @Munchie63 said in European Elections:

    we both know tht had remain won we would have stopped hearing the brexit word a week after the vote.

    Well that's a load of rubbish isn't it. Farage said 3 hours before the results were announced that if it's 48/52 with remain winning, that he would take that was a reason to keep fighting.

    Likewise, the Scottish voted to remain in the UK but we're still seeing calls for the next indy referendum.

    People fight for what they believe in. That's what living in a free society leads to.



  • @NewUser303261 I'll try

    the UK no longer being a member of the growing group of chums (who pretend to like each other but dont really) called the EU.

    or do you mean the actual act of Brexit ? Thats simply acting on Article 50

    And, for the 3rd time, may I point out thet way way below I said 150mill a week could be spent here, not 350M.

    remainers say leave lied becuase they put 350mill on a bus. A total figure, not the actual net after rebates.

    But I could point out ways that Remain used the press, and still today are using the BBC to promote Remains beliefs. There was bull on both sides. In the same way that I can look at a transfer rumour and decide if its true and worth acting on, I can read an article and make a decision.

    Quick examples. Outside parliament there are EU flags AND Union Jack;s tied to railings by supporters of each side. The BBC cameras are set up so they show the EU flags. Biased subliminal coverage.

    2 weeks ago on the Andrew Marr show....4 remainers, 1 leaver invited on.

    so please dont use the 350M banner on 1 bus as a reason for a 2nd vote. We havent implemented the first one yet



  • @Dan-The-Man Didnt we abide by the Scottish referendum though ?

    Tried looking through but cant see thead after thread on it.

    you know what I meant above...no debates in parliament. It wouldve been Farage, getting shouted down and told he had lost, excised from the media, or ridiculed for not abiding by the vote he called for,

    to say we'd still be battling had remain won is another remain spin on things. Come on, you know that



  • @Munchie63 The £350 million was part of the leave campaign. it is an out and out lie. It was a very specific message, "lets spend 350 million on the NHS" knowing full well it is not true and not possible to implement.

    Keep mentioning the 150 million all you like. But there isn't going to be that extra money. You've just plucked that out of thin air.

    What does implanting brexit really mean? for jobs, for the NHS, for business relations in and outside of Europe, for export, for import, for the prem league. the answer is we don't fucking know. No one does, in part because there are various different types of brexit that would have various different ramifications. And those ramifications are mostly speculative, some educated, some less so. We know a little more now then we did 3 years ago, but we still don't really know.

    So if you really are fully informed as to what life in the UK post brexit is, and what effect it will have on our economy and health service, then you must be some kind of wizard.

    I have my doubts though.



  • @Munchie63 said in European Elections:

    @Dan-The-Man Didnt we abide by the Scottish referendum though ?

    Tried looking through but cant see thead after thread on it.

    you know what I meant above...no debates in parliament. It wouldve been Farage, getting shouted down and told he had lost, excised from the media, or ridiculed for not abiding by the vote he called for,

    to say we'd still be battling had remain won is another remain spin on things. Come on, you know that

    If you've ever seen Prime Ministers Questions, you'd know that on a weekly basis, the SNP talk about a second independence referendum in parliament to the Prime Minister and if you paid attention, you'd know that Scotlands First Minister, has just called for the second referendum to take place late next year.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-27/nicola-sturgeon-calls-for-scottish-independence-referendum-in-2020/

    The Brexit debate will end, when Farage is defeated but given that he makes fortunes out of Brexit, the only time that will happen is when he's dead.



  • @Dan-The-Man

    1. If it was bullshit it shouldn’t have been presented to the people but it was. It’s like fucking your tactics up, losing and demanding a replay.
    2. Her deal had to be opposed. It’s a hybrid of leave and remain. Nearer remain though by the sounds of it.


  • @Timothee-Atouba said in European Elections:

    @Dan-The-Man

    1. If it was bullshit it shouldn’t have been presented to the people

    It shouldn't have.

    And because we're all adults... we get to say "you know what... that was a stupid mistake... let's disregard that... and find a better way"

    1. Her deal had to be opposed. It’s a hybrid of leave and remain. Nearer remain though by the sounds of it.

    The question at the ballet box was

    "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union..."

    Her deal, meant we would no longer be a member of the European Union.

    Do you see how in black and white... her deal, met the exact criteria of the stupid question?



  • @NewUser303261 "Keep mentioning the 150 million all you like. But there isn't going to be that extra money. You've just plucked that out of thin air."

    We have a net spend of £6.55 billion each year to the EU, so divide that by 52 to work out how much per week we are giving to the EU after we get our percentage back from them.

    £6,550,000,000 ÷ 52 = £125,961,538.46p

    ^^that's over £125m per week!!! 😱

    And that's factual. 👍



  • @Ellisandro said in European Elections:
    This result shows a deep distrust of those parties that are supposed to be enacting the will of the people (but only 51.89% of the people).

    The population is roughly 66 million. roughly 47 million are legally allowed to vote which is around 71%. With around 72% turnout that equates to 51.3% of the population who voted on the referendum.

    Of those who voted, 26.6% chose to leave and 24.7% chose to remain. Please somebody correct me if my numbers are way off.

    Within our democratic society without going into any detail of the structure, net positives or flaws that is contained within such an institution, obviously the leave vote won.

    Just as the brexiteers take issue with the language 'going over a cliff edge', don't 'the people' take issue with the language 'enacting the will of the people'? 26.6%. The will of 26.6% of the people, doesn't quite have the same ring to it as a vague, general, yet emotive, 'will of the people'. you know you 'good people, bad establishment', 'that bad establishment think you good people are thick'. That 'bad establishment' that for the most part have stopped us swinging between socialism and fascism like many a country has fallen prey to before us. Is that coming apart at the seams now?

    Gaslight your electorate, charge them up. But in the process make sure to keep it empty, keep it vague. How many of the 26.6% voted for a hard, no deal brexit? The easiest deal do do in history we were told? Empty, pointless language. Just as informative as bending over, pulling their trousers down and letting rip with the rankest eggy fart you ever smelt into a microphone. Just pay attention to
    ann widdecombe when shes on the tv, you will notice a striking resemblance, a person who looks like an arse and sounds like a, rank, eggy fart.

    Was disappointed you kept your post on demagoguery so short and sweet, you strike me as the sort of person who would be a good history teacher. Light hearted and a lot of fun. Sorely needed in these times.



  • @dionysusthyrsus so your basically blaming the apathy of the country for not giving a proper reflection of society?

    Which is weird, because a lot of remainers claim the leave vote is uneducated.

    You would assume the educated would of course vote, so surely that means the apathetic uneducated section of society who stay at home picking their nose would vote to leave - if only they could be bothered to drag their knuckles along to the local polling station - but surely 'leave' would then win by a much wider margin 🤔



  • @Ericali said in European Elections:

    You would assume the educated would of course vote,

    That's a dumb assumption.

    Smart people understand that 1 vote does not change the outcome.

    Idiots on the other hand, believe that if they vote, their vote matters.



  • @Dan-The-Man said in European Elections:

    @Ericali said in European Elections:

    You would assume the educated would of course vote,

    That's a dumb assumption.

    Smart people understand that 1 vote does not change the outcome.

    Idiots on the other hand, believe that if they vote, their vote matters.

    Yep.... Because the best thing "smart" people can do is not vote. 🤣

    C'mon Dan - stop digging that hole & put the spade down.



  • @Ericali

    I promise you this Eric.... you going to the poling station, did not change the outcome of the election.



  • @Dan-The-Man said in European Elections:

    @Ericali

    I promise you this Eric.... you going to the poling station, did not change the outcome of the election.

    Just be thankful 17.4m of us didn't have the same attitude or the 5.5m last Thursday. 😐



  • @Ericali Oh yeah, I'm super thankful that the country has been arguing like mad with each other, becoming more racist by the day, just so Nigel Farage can make a few quid.



  • @Dan-The-Man said in European Elections:

    @Ericali Oh yeah, I'm super thankful that the country has been arguing like mad with each other, becoming more racist by the day, just so Nigel Farage can make a few quid.

    C'mon don't play the racist card when you can't articulate a decent argument.

    You're better than that @Dan-The-Man



  • @Ericali

    Don't play the racism card... are you kidding me.

    The Brexit Party's slogan may as well be

    "We're not racist... but..."



  • @Dan-The-Man said in European Elections:

    @Ericali

    Don't play the racism card... are you kidding me.

    The Brexit Party's slogan may as well be

    "We're not racist... but..."

    But... They man you are calling racist married a German 🤔

    But... Wants to expand globally & open up our borders to the world 🤔

    But... The Brexit party has the most diverse section of candidates of any UK political party 🤔

    But apart from that...



  • @dionysusthyrsus said in European Elections:

    @Ellisandro said in European Elections:
    This result shows a deep distrust of those parties that are supposed to be enacting the will of the people (but only 51.89% of the people).

    The population is roughly 66 million. roughly 47 million are legally allowed to vote which is around 71%. With around 72% turnout that equates to 51.3% of the population who voted on the referendum.

    Of those who voted, 26.6% chose to leave and 24.7% chose to remain. Please somebody correct me if my numbers are way off.

    Within our democratic society without going into any detail of the structure, net positives or flaws that is contained within such an institution, obviously the leave vote won.

    Just as the brexiteers take issue with the language 'going over a cliff edge', don't 'the people' take issue with the language 'enacting the will of the people'? 26.6%. The will of 26.6% of the people, doesn't quite have the same ring to it as a vague, general, yet emotive, 'will of the people'. you know you 'good people, bad establishment', 'that bad establishment think you good people are thick'. That 'bad establishment' that for the most part have stopped us swinging between socialism and fascism like many a country has fallen prey to before us. Is that coming apart at the seams now?

    Gaslight your electorate, charge them up. But in the process make sure to keep it empty, keep it vague. How many of the 26.6% voted for a hard, no deal brexit? The easiest deal do do in history we were told? Empty, pointless language. Just as informative as bending over, pulling their trousers down and letting rip with the rankest eggy fart you ever smelt into a microphone. Just pay attention to
    ann widdecombe when shes on the tv, you will notice a striking resemblance, a person who looks like an arse and sounds like a, rank, eggy fart.

    Was disappointed you kept your post on demagoguery so short and sweet, you strike me as the sort of person who would be a good history teacher. Light hearted and a lot of fun. Sorely needed in these times.

    Quite right. What this boils down to is, as you rightly point out, a deeply flawed process for determining a required political outcome by outsourcing it to a fractured electorate using a vague question and then back up by the rankest and eggiest of all farts...the subsequent Leave and Remain party battle buses!

    Result: Polarised Society that deems itself qualified to comment of the most complicated of Economic questions who are fed facts by Bitter swilling fatuous demagogues, bumbling Etonian "old School" Tories, a bicycle riding Michael Foot impersonator and someone so despicable that he married a Daily Mail columnist!

    @Ericali as for the Apathetic vote, yes you're absolutely right. The middle class Remain voter stayed at home and presumably considered that the rest of society would take care of it...i mean come on...it would be like Donald Trump becoming president, what right minded person would let that happen...only in a two party state right!?!?!

    Leave voters, it appears are prone to rabble rousing demagoguery "I don't want to ruled by Brussels" or dare i say it "Stop immigration, coming over here and doing the jobs we don't want to do"

    All the last vote proved was that after deciding to act we then fucked about so much that we all thought we should show them what arseholes they've all been.


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