Ffs another ridiculous thread like this. When will people stop moaning? Yes we’re in a period of uncertainty, yes people are losing money, yes it’s a transition, and yes it’ll get better when OBs are in and market confidence returns. If you don’t like it then sell up and f*** off and stop spamming the forums with continuous threads on the same topic that aren’t revolutionary, insightful or at all useful! It’s people like this that are the problem atm, driving prices down.

You chose when to enter, you chose to buy shit players, you chose to chase losses, you chose to buy players on peaks due to FOMO. Deal with it!

This isn’t aimed at this particular thread maker, but moaners in general. Ask yourself what good are you gaining from moaning/slating FI? I imagine 90% of these people are just trying to find excuses and shift blame for their own trading mistakes! Put your time to better use!

I agree that it is getting ridiculous now with the amount of threads we have that are essentially about the same thing. Can't we just create one titled 'Order Book/FI Issues' and be done with it. Clogging up the first 20 threads on the forum is not healthy for anyone - it promotes fear/panic for all, especially newcomers. And also prevents any worthwhile threads about player investment/suggestions getting noticed.

This is all currently very counter-intuitive as we want the platform to grow, but we are scaring newcomers and ourselves away! Obviously I understand the concerns atm, but constant new threads about it doesn't help and is unnecessary.

Another bonkers thread slating FI to deflect from their bad investments. You bought KDB at a peak price and took a gamble - obviously he was going to drop if he got knocked out of CL as people will look to move money into other players who still have gold days / TOTM chances. Why would people continue to buy him today when there’s all these gold days / French football before he kicks a ball again? It was a clear gamble and you lost, don’t hide away from that and blame a lack of liquidity or whatever. Look at it from a positive - if he’s so damn good that you think he should be higher then use it as an opportunity to buy more shares cheaply and reduce your average buy price.

These summer promotions have been excellent and my strategy has been to buy players when their spread widens and sell on their next match day when people buy in (eg Kimmich after not winning PB in last 16 v Chelsea @ 4.40 and then sold on day of Barca game @ 4.70-4.80. Yes I could’ve sold higher and missed dividends but I made risk-free guaranteed profit, and if Barca had won, Kimmich would probably be around 4.20-4.40 now.

Some I’ve kept a few shares for IPDs/PB who I’m happy holding onto next season, and funnily enough KDB is one of those.

I’ve basically gone for the ‘buy low, sell high’. Seems to work.

I completely understand people's opinions on Mbappe, but when you dig deeper and think about it, he's a great hold!

Firstly PB - check out his PB numbers/base, they're very very good, up there with the best on the index!

Anomalies - his ratio of GWGs to goals scored last season was very low, which impacts his peak scores and in turn his PB output. End of the day you don't win many gold days without GWG. As a side note, obviously Neymar is currently affecting PB output, but that doesn't mean Mbappe's PB is poor!

Age - I think Mbappe gets a hard time because people compare him to current PB monsters and forget he's 21. Yes if you compare him to Neymar/Messi he isn't going to stack up and will look poor value. But what about comparing him to 'elite youth'?

So, why is he compared to PB monsters? Simple, because he's seemingly been around for years and is so damn good and the others aren't!

MB - new changes to media, Mbappe being the poster boy of Nike, big move next summer, global icon. He will be media dream hold for years!

Move - next summer I think its obvious he'll be leaving PSG, probably to Madrid. He'll become the main man with the side built around him, and no Neymar to ruin his PB output.

Comparisons/history - i wonder what Messi's output was like when he was young and playing in the same side as Ronaldinho/Henry etc, and Ronaldo with Rooney. They went on to do ok on FI.

Mbappe for me has very few question marks - the only one being current output. But he has the PB game, that's undeniable if you look at his numbers. Can the same be said for Foden, Haaland, Greenwood etc? I think the extra £2-£4 is fully justified when comparing to youth holds, which is where he should be imo, and far less of a risk. Comparing him to established PB/MB veterans is another matter.

I get why people don't see Mbappe as 'value' right now, but i think its very obvious why he's priced the way he is. People are very short sighted, and traders who play the long game can buy Mbappe and sit back knowing in 3 years they'd have made a great CA/div return on him! Personally I see him winning more PB this season, simply because of the GWG anomaly last season, and the fact he'll grow as a player. And it's only going to take a PB win or 2 for him to seriously sky rocket because if he answers peoples questions regarding his PB output, what else is there holding him back? He will literally have everything. I personally dont want to miss that boat, so i'm happy gambling on a potential short term drop because the upside is far greater!

These Mbappe convos really bug me, when he is cheaper than Sancho. Thats where the real questions should be aimed, why's he so expensive? He has proved very little as a footballer - bang average in England games and important Dortmund games. That in my opinion is more of a determining factor in being a good FI hold because at the end of the day you need to be a good player to win PB, but more importantly to become a MB monster. Look at the best players in the world over the last 3 years? Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo. And the most PB/MB won - Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo (at a guess). Ok there's the odd anomaly to this thinking like Pogba, but we know why that is, plus the United bias won't be as strong going forward.

Hope this helps some people, and always interested to hear others thoughts on matters like this.

@Timmy ill informed? 200 is an irrelevant score, it doesn’t win gold days! Lewa hits the peak scores needed a lot more regularly than Gnabry, hence why he’s won way more divs. Gnabry will be constantly subbed after 60/70 with the 5 sub rule, and this’ll happen more and more as the season progresses and Flick manages gametime. Same with Sane. As for depreciation, yes Lewa will naturally cos of age but his divs will outweigh this comfortably. He’ll probably settle around £2.40-2.50, and will win comfortably over £1 (especially if you refresh for IPDs which at his price and consistently low spread is easy). Can the same be said for the Gnabry? His lack of consistency in returning divs means he often has a high spread, so I’d even argue Lewa is a safer hold and exit points are more readily found. And Look at Gnabry’s price graph - he has tanked for ages, basically since his price got artificially high from that hat trick vs Spurs. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a fantastic footballer but for £4+ there’s far superior options on the index. I understand why people wouldn’t invest in Lewa cos of age, but investing in Gnabry imo is bonkers simply because Lewa is there and so Gnabry’s chances of divs are scuppered by competing against one of the top PB performers. Same reason that’s held back Dybala’s price at Juve (Ronaldo), and Griezmann’s at Barca (Messi).

People get so caught up about age imo and go on about 3 year holds. Who realistically holds a player that long? Provided there’s a clear exit strategy and the maths stack up then age is not an issue (eg all the Messi predictions for this season). Lewa has years at the top, he’s only 32 and he’s fitter and better than he’s ever been hence why Bayern haven’t bothered getting a backup, and is not leaving there. They may sign a new striker next season to help him out, but I won’t be holding next season. The game is different now and players play a lot longer, eg Ibrahimovic. I’d even argue premiums (eg Sancho) are far riskier holds. They can drop massively in no time with injuries/bad transfer news/bad performances, and the money tied up in them to make it worthwhile owning makes it of greater risk. Throughout all that Lewa has been steady and you’ll never be stuck with him or suffer a huge loss. Personally I’ll be rinsing divs and then offloading somewhere around CL KOs/Euros, but each to their own.

I’m in for an average of £7, and tbh I don’t care either way what happens. If he moves I’ll make loads of CA, but if he stays I’ll topup to reduce my av price and rinse dividends all year. He’ll win around £4 in divs this season, and that’s conservative. As for an exit point, there will be many opportunities next season with links to City, star man wins, TOTM etc and I’ll probably look to decrease my holding when he puts me into profit by divs outweighing capital depreciation. But I’ll certainly be holding some. The new dividend structure is unreal and Messi wins the most, have people forgotten that?! The top div earner who’s going to have a shit ton of media, and likely move to the Prem next season - a dream scenario! Add to all that the fact he still may join this summer!!!

Thought yesterday was an embarrassing show of shiteness from traders. Why invest in this volatile situation if just going to sell at first piece of bad news of him staying, and from unreliable sources?! Better off placing a bet on him going to City with the bookies.

Long term hold. His time is next summer with Euros and a big move. Coming back from injury so teams will monitor time this season and let him gain more experience. Hopefully PSV win their Europa qualifying as that exposure will help.

Really? Same player as Bruno. With pogba likely staying as well United have bigger fish to fry. Wide right being the key position!

Guardiola is a fraud. Overrated. Hasn’t got to a CL final without Messi. And obviously had all the success at Barca cos they were miles ahead of everyone else. When he left, Luis Enrique continued to do as well. He went to Bayern after they won the CL and didn’t get close. Came to City and same thing. Is tactically inept against the top managers in 2 legged affairs. Is just a master of beating crap teams. But whenever he has been asked to do well with a mediocre team, he can’t. Eg his first year at City they came 4th with the 2nd best if not best squad in the league. He needs top players to do well, always has done. Yes he is a good coach and has made players better, but what player isn’t going to get and look better when playing with world class players every week. Eg how many of Sterling’s goals are tap ins from ridiculous KDB passes.

@Dan-The-Man lol you’re an intelligent man, stop playing dumb. Blackjack rules don’t change midway through a game, that’s a given. But you know full well that FI constantly review dividends, offer bonuses etc, and tbh order books was known ahead of time. And they’ll continue to act in this way. Don’t like it, don’t play.

Anyway, a lot of what you say is correct, my point here is simply that it’s just not that relevant and useful to hear over and over. Give yourself a break and spend more time doing things you enjoy and have a positive influence on your life, as I can’t imagine talking negatively on forums achieves all that much.

@Dan-The-Man it doesn’t matter to FI who owns the player, the shares are still in existence. So the more hands that player goes through, the better, as FI rinse commission in the trading process from one trader to another to another, and so on. What isn’t to get about this?!

As for your stance on FI - you compare it to doing fun things that you enjoy, such as Blackjack. Well, let me ask you this - when you play blackjack, do you sit there and curse the croupier or the house because you didn’t win and it’s rigged in favour of the house? No, you have a drink and a laugh whilst gambling, sometimes winning, sometimes losing. I suggest you take this stance with your FI journey if it is only a bit of fun to you, and don’t drag us all into your negative tedious rants!

@Dan-The-Man another ‘yawn’ comment from you. Really, do you not have anything better to do with your time than try and bad mouth FI? Very sad. If it’s so bad just withdraw and leave - why would you waste your time on forums of something you don’t want to invest in?

Your comment also makes no sense. Obviously FI want you to trade for the commission, that’s how they make money. Someone is always going to be stuck with player X, it doesn’t matter who holds them cos those shares are in circulation, so they’d happily see player X traded around willy nilly picking up commission and your point of FI selling you a dud exists throughout.

@Dan-The-Man said in Youth:

@Roon said in Youth:

@Dan-The-Man wasn't in relation to today's increase.... just wanted your overall opinion was all.

Sorry, I was in somewhat of a rush this morning.

My thoughts on Haaland are pretty simple. He's destined for a major money move to either Man Utd, Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Juventus or Real Madrid and until he gets one of those moves, speculation will be rife about him and therefore he will win MB periodically.

He is the new Ronaldo that we've all been looking for.

That said... do I think any player is worth £7?

No.

Why?

Because:

• The yields at that level are usually poor
• The risks are high
• There's significantly better value on the market

But is he good for Trend Trading? His price is fairly volatile but when the 4% commission comes in that's challenging.

interesting comment about the 4% commission. Do you think FI are shooting themselves in the foot? Because people are more likely to hold players for dividends rather than flip players due to the extra commission and therefore less profitability of this strategy. So overall FI will lose out on more sell commission as people aren't trading as much.

I completely understand people's opinions on Mbappe, but when you dig deeper and think about it, he's a great hold!

Firstly PB - check out his PB numbers/base, they're very very good, up there with the best on the index!

Anomalies - his ratio of GWGs to goals scored last season was very low, which impacts his peak scores and in turn his PB output. End of the day you don't win many gold days without GWG. As a side note, obviously Neymar is currently affecting PB output, but that doesn't mean Mbappe's PB is poor!

Age - I think Mbappe gets a hard time because people compare him to current PB monsters and forget he's 21. Yes if you compare him to Neymar/Messi he isn't going to stack up and will look poor value. But what about comparing him to 'elite youth'?

So, why is he compared to PB monsters? Simple, because he's seemingly been around for years and is so damn good and the others aren't!

MB - new changes to media, Mbappe being the poster boy of Nike, big move next summer, global icon. He will be media dream hold for years!

Move - next summer I think its obvious he'll be leaving PSG, probably to Madrid. He'll become the main man with the side built around him, and no Neymar to ruin his PB output.

Comparisons/history - i wonder what Messi's output was like when he was young and playing in the same side as Ronaldinho/Henry etc, and Ronaldo with Rooney. They went on to do ok on FI.

Mbappe for me has very few question marks - the only one being current output. But he has the PB game, that's undeniable if you look at his numbers. Can the same be said for Foden, Haaland, Greenwood etc? I think the extra £2-£4 is fully justified when comparing to youth holds, which is where he should be imo, and far less of a risk. Comparing him to established PB/MB veterans is another matter.

I get why people don't see Mbappe as 'value' right now, but i think its very obvious why he's priced the way he is. People are very short sighted, and traders who play the long game can buy Mbappe and sit back knowing in 3 years they'd have made a great CA/div return on him! Personally I see him winning more PB this season, simply because of the GWG anomaly last season, and the fact he'll grow as a player. And it's only going to take a PB win or 2 for him to seriously sky rocket because if he answers peoples questions regarding his PB output, what else is there holding him back? He will literally have everything. I personally dont want to miss that boat, so i'm happy gambling on a potential short term drop because the upside is far greater!

These Mbappe convos really bug me, when he is cheaper than Sancho. Thats where the real questions should be aimed, why's he so expensive? He has proved very little as a footballer - bang average in England games and important Dortmund games. That in my opinion is more of a determining factor in being a good FI hold because at the end of the day you need to be a good player to win PB, but more importantly to become a MB monster. Look at the best players in the world over the last 3 years? Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo. And the most PB/MB won - Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo (at a guess). Ok there's the odd anomaly to this thinking like Pogba, but we know why that is, plus the United bias won't be as strong going forward.

Hope this helps some people, and always interested to hear others thoughts on matters like this.

holder and big fan of pulgar for a potentially massive yield. my only concern currently is how Chiesa leaving will affect Fiorentina and their ability to dominate possession, score goals and win games etc - all helps to PB scores after all for passes, assists etc.

Fati is around £5.50, I think that’s a reasonable ballpark for Reyna.

what on earth is going on with Sommer? One of best PB keepers, CL, national no 1....

Pretty sure IPDs was brought in to attract the short term weekend gambler?!

good thread, i agree. my only concern is if FI is winning, and the platform is full of savvy traders, who loses and is providing the money for everyone?