This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

@Timmy The thing is we all get that they are doing this for the money and fair play to them, they deserve it for taking the risk and setting the entire thing up. I have no problem with that, but there is a time and a place for creaming off some extra profits and this isn't it.

Sancho 21p divs total in the past 2 seasons. Good luck, but its definitely not for me!!

In the long run a players value is determined by the dividends they produce - there are loads of other threads on this - but over shorter periods its the balance of supply vs demand that counts. Real markets (i mean stock markets etc) can reach huge over or under valuations depending on whether everyone is trying to get in or get out. It makes absolutely no difference what you or I think something is "worth" - if everyone else is selling it, the price will go down. What is evident from the bid depth info we now have is that there is a huge excess of supply in the market - we sort of knew before from the number of players with no bids at all, but now with the bid depth it is clear that there are a lot more shares for sale than others are willing to buy. There may be a lot of "value" in the market but it would seem that overall no-one is willing to put their money where their mouth is.

@Metropolis Its all very well having a price at which you would sell, in your example Martinez for £5 but if he's trading in the market for £1.50 then that's all you are gonna get for him. I would love to sell all my FI holdings, or indeed all my possessions, for triple the current market value but the trouble is no-one is prepared to pay that. Whether at some point the rest of the market comes round to your way of thinking or not is the great unknown.

@AndydfopT I think the market is saying that the margin isn't wide enough. Take Dybala for example - I would be interested in putting a bid in on him but I have no interest in paying £2.89 for him which is the bottom of the bid zone, and clearly no-one else is interested in paying £2.89 for him either as he has no sell price. If there are people that "need" the money out of the index, or in this case Dybala, then at the moment they are just completely stuck - if there was a bid they would at least have a choice.

If they introduce this then the only potential "good" thing to come from it is that there should be a sea of bargains available after all the prices have collapsed another 50%+. On the other hand, if the introduction of the buy commission causes a total seizure of the market then the whole platform could collapse in which case we are all fucked. In the current environment I find it very difficult to see why they are so keen to bring this in unless their finances are in a terrible state. But even if they are strapped for cash, how much do they think this bid tax will raise? There aren't many bids around at the moment as it is, so they have a very small potential net upside and huge potential net downside. It makes no sense.

@Timmy Yes I run a bunch of player screens and he's a very long way down it. As you say the expected returns are much greater on the lower end players simply because of the yields on offer. Totally agree on the buy comm - as per other thread there are 144 odd players with no bid.
"How can we encourage people to bid? Oh yes, lets introduce a bid tax" - you couldn't make it up.

The market is falling. Bids are pretty thin on the ground - some players don’t even have one. Tomorrow a 2% commission is being introduced providing even less reason to bid. Madness.

Don’t know about a tough week, I have made absolutely no money this year😂

A head butt media win at the weekend and hopefully a star man tonight. At this rate he might repay the 2 quid that i paid for him 😂

It is crazy stuff but in this "new world" where player prices are supposed to be underpinned by dividends a lot of this move looks like bollocks. I'm selling players that I've made 100% on in the space of a few days, its ridiculous.

@Timmy love it- a nice reasoned argument signed with a “but fuck knows” 😂
But of course you are right- no one can predict anything in this environment

Well after 2 days of this it still looks like there is absolutely no let up in the supply, and very little demand. It seems that there are a lot of people who do not care about what potential dividend yields are, they just want out before they lose another 30%. This is what a market crash looks like and it usually results in a huge overshoot to the downside as all the sellers are finally cleared out before it stabilises. We appear to be in such a phase at the moment, but where the bottom is is anyones guess.

@GH said in Great market now for new investors and.........:

None of you have 'lost £100 in the last hour'.

Honestly have a think about what you are posting. It's a shit market currently - duh. But fuck me some bollocks is spouted on here.

Strange comment - you think people aren't losing money?

Is it not only on 50 quid? So a max handout of £20?

Looking at the way things are heading the answer to this question could well be “no”

There has been a 2 billion to one share split

With a grand haul of 2p in PB divs over the whole of last season and this season to date I think you are overpaying. Unless you think his haircut is worth something.

@Gazz127 said in The market is moving!:

This is getting tiring week after week of this.
We got footie back this weekend but you'd never guess.
Are a few manipulating this market or are we all just scared to death to buy anything cos christ the prices still look so attractive.
Utterly depressing 😟

With a bit of luck this is the last major change for a while. We've got market depth and they have taken off most of the brakes so prices can adjust to wherever they should be. There is going to be volatility for sure but maybe a glint of light on the horizon as opposed to a mac truck with another 25 lunatic ideas in the back of it.