Cant see any advanced playmaker join this January, pretty convinced Maddsion will be joining next summer whether he signs a new deal shortly or not.

The most face smackingly obvious piece of business to do though would be sander berge. Would be relatively cheap in the current market at around the rumoured £18-£25 million mark. Neat and tidy, versatile 6'5 midfielder. Given his stature he would be a decent long term matic replacement whilst filling in for mctominay in the short term. Hes a bit of a hybrid of both players.

Dont own on FI as transfer bubbles not for me so not a pump. Just strikes me as an attainable bit of business at a reasonable price.

@Keegans-Bluff said in Port dropping?:

@dionysusthyrsus said in Port dropping?:

Taken from FI sigmund Freunds twitter timeline. One of the best data analysts around on twitter (he doesnt use the forum so i thought his work deserved a little pump on here, its excellent for those who are that way inclined).

Not sure if the best data analysts advise to "just go with your gut"....

You have lost me bud?

Taken from FI sigmund Freunds twitter timeline. One of the best data analysts around on twitter (he doesnt use the forum so i thought his work deserved a little pump on here, its excellent for those who are that way inclined).

Obviously this model is imperfect and always will be whatever factors are taken into account. But it does give a rough around the edges assessment of value. Anyone who is that way inclined and has a few extra braincells than me could plot and build upon this based on their own port and how many different variables to take into account when creating your own projected dividend formula.

Its obviously not the only tool you can use in this current market but it does help to have data like this to hand when your ports taking a bit of a knock, even if its just from a psychological perspective.

I would guess this would be especially useful for new users and people who prefer to hold medium to long term. If you know what you hold is built upon a degree of relatively measurable value, the less likely you will make rash and impulsive decisions trying to follow market trends if things are not going well at any given moment in time.

And if anyone wants to poke obvious holes in this model thats ok, there are obviously plenty of holes that can be poked. But ill leave you with one of his last posts on twitter. This is a especially poignant point, especially for all new users around here or any other form of social media related to FI.

'You know all those tipping accounts on here...funny how they never share their model for assessing value (or the limitations of it). Almost as if they are just making it up as they go along based on who they can try to flog to the market...'

@Ericali said in Trent!!:

@Dr-Jan-Itor I never said he didn't have longevity, but he should be no where near the other two mentioned in price.

I've always maintained a price similar to Kimmich's is where TAA should be.

The other 2 (Sancho & Mbappe) are likely to be two of the world stars who take over from the Messi, Ronaldo & Neymar era.

As Football Index expand into other countries I don't think people will be talking about a English RB from Liverpool will they? 🤔

A bit of perspective please. 👍

I understand MB is being reduced but it will always play a part as for 3 months of the year no football is being played - you always need something to keep the product ticking over.

TAA is suited to the current matrix (allegedly) imagine if they tweak it, or reward 2nd or 3rd goals with additional points (Mbappe) or Sancho goes to Manchester United / Liverpool & becomes even more influential in games as he ages (MB/PB)?

There's is more to gain with the other two as any tweaks/moves can only add to their value, TAA's can only diminish.

I don't understand why people are even arguing the point. If you think he is great value still buy in/top up... 👍

I'm warning of potential pitfalls. If you don't agree with me - tuck in.

But can't say I have tried warning people.

'We won’t be doing this midseason. If we were to change it, and I haven’t seen much call for it, it would be in the off season' - Adam coles direct reply to @Ericali when talking about matrix changes.

'We’re working on a loyalty solution that will reward everyone who uses #footballindex depay
I’m sure you’ll appreciate this is a large body of work but I would hope to see this launched ahead of the new season.' - Adam coles direct reply to pb hunter when talking about the long term pb dividend.

Make up your own minds about which answer sounds more concrete and how that may or may not affect Trents price.

Scores over 200 this season

scores over 250 this season

@MickTurbo hes a bit wild with his shooting buts he pops up in attacking areas and does quite like a shot on goal too. His peak scores are coming but ur right, it could require a bit of patience.

I Thought about banking some profit a while back but not a chance now, and ill be topping up at every opportunity whilst hes under £2. Hes staying till united exit the europa league at the earliest, with a pb win or 2 his price could go anywhere.

In terms of baseline averages amongst premier league mids over the last 2 months him, moutinho, kdb and maddsion are miles ahead of everyone else. He sits 3rd on that list ahead of maddsion. He only really started taking corners full time within the last month too.

in the last 30 days his baseline average is the best in the premier league of any player in any position, if he can start adding the odd goal or 2 to his game like mctominay did when fit, we are sitting on a pot of gold here.

I think you are banking on order books not upsetting the apple cart too much there @Ericali. If traders get more frequently punished by extreme % drops holding cheap players its possible as the market matures this would force people to look at solid and stable returns more and more than trying to become the genius finding that pick at 50p who turns into £5.

I imagine seeing the lack of liquidity and depth in some players in detail could also change the dynamic of how people trade. I guess it all depends how they choose to implement them and how punishing the spreads may be if they choose to keep an IS function. Traditional gamblers tend not to be familiar with order books, but traditional traders are.

Whether it turns out to be true or not, many professional economic predictions for the financial markets dont look great for the 3rd and 4th quarters next year, I wonder what the professional economic forecast for this place would be in 2020?

A potential new European territory and a stock market recession could see this place become flooded with whales by the late end of 2020. In that eventuality your forecasts and strategy i imagine would look vastly different. But its cool, keep trying to drive trent price down to keep him as cheap as possible before you inevitably buy in later in the year ;)

Just as you would speculate Trent could be affected negatively by future matrix changes, i would speculate the whole dynamic of hunting for cheap holds for quick CA could drastically change with order books. I would envisage strategically if the markets were to suffer a dip in line with forecasts, that any dividend increase next year would be an attempt to tease traditional traders with a lot of disposable income towards FI. This place is going to look a lot different in a years time thats for sure however its implemented.

Edit: iv just read a piece predicting more sunnier climates for markets in 2020 than id come across recently. So potentially sack those hypotheticals above, it could be total horseshit. As you were, buy up more penny stocks like gaetano and surridge and sell trent because hes shite, it might continue to be fine after all.

hes the only defender this season to post 2x 290+ pb scores. Will get plenty of transfer spec but can only see him or maddy leaving in summer, not both. If maddy leaves and chilwell stays hes gonna become an elite hold imo. Hell likely be taking all of if not most set pieces in that eventuality for leicester.

@SiobhanC welcome to the forum. My advice would be to play around and find out what strategies suit you.

Yes in the past 8 months it would appear you would be able to make the quickest gains lower down the market as evidenced by the price gap between the bottom and top end closing as noted by @Pagey74 and @Ericali advice.

When i joined 8 months ago the top priced player in the squad list was less then £1, it is now £1.50. The top priced player on the index ever was £8.50 (post share split prices) at the end of last march, its now £8.12.

Since that top end price drop the pb/mb dividends on offer have risen by 57% overall but top end player cap has not. Judging by that there is currently a psychological apprehension towards the top end by the market in general. Make your own mind up as to whether you think this will continue moving forward or not. Some people will tell you expensive players are not worth it and their reasons why, others will tell you they are currently available at a discounted price and are ripe for a rocket after a long period of stagnation. Make up your own mind, we all have arseholes with an opinion.

Try to understand the difference between cheap, expensive and value. Some players may be expensive and have no value. some players maybe expensive and are value. some players maybe cheap and have no value, some players maybe cheap and are value. Thats not a directive as to what strategy you should or shouldnt take, only make you aware if you are buying a hold built on sand or granite. You can make a lot of money holding crap over a period of time if you time it right and you you can lose money holding value over a period of time if you time it wrong.

Its a game of 3d chess that takes time to learn, but the learning process could be the most enjoyable and profitable you ever undertake. Some areas of the market you might like others you might not like. Beauty of FI is you get to call it as you see it, avoid what you dont like and put your money where your mouth is.

Find what suits you dependant on your temperament, knowledge, time, appetite for risk, patience and budget. That is more important than the who or whatever end of the market you want or should buy into.

Good luck!

@Ellisandro Hes playing like hes 10 feet tall atm. He gives Utd something matic and mctominay dont when both are fit in terms of punching the ball behind the oppositions midfield and moving the it quickly. Hes absolutely nailed on in this team now, its becoming clear as day why pep wanted him, he looks every bit worth the money utd paid on current form.

Matic and mctominay are absolutely useless when trying to pass the ball vertically. Pretty average score yesterday with 118 but still posted an average of 171 in last 4 games. He took too many short corners and burnley not playing on the deck for him to potentially break up play didnt help with his score either.

Still getting some shots off too and making runs into offensive areas. Whilst mctominay is out, if matic plays alongside him id expect his shot output and runs into dangerous areas from midfield to get better too given hes far more mobile than matic which is the role mctominay is usually asked to provide with fred being more disciplined.

I would guess he may continue to suffer a bit of a dip with soft money coming out if he posts ok scores without winning. But those gold europa days at 16p star man a pop make him look excellent value at his current price if utd can go far.

Hes a goal, assist or especially a gwg away from a potential rocket. its not like hes a verratti type of baseliner who doesnt take corners and never shoots. Verratti is a 1 goal in 50 player for psg and was a 1 in 35 for pescara roughly.

People will hark on about how his previous form doesnt indicate this would happen and its true. But this player is totally different to the one we have seen in the previous 16 months and he now looks like will be a permanent fixture in this team for years to come.

He was a 1 goal in 10 player for shakhthar and 1 goal in 5 for internacional. If he can nick the odd assist or goal, with his baseline scores hes been pumping out recently hes got a big big chance to win some pb with a bit of luck.