@Ericali If you were a scout on football manager for all things football index you would score 19 out of 20 for spotting potential. You are great in that area of the market. Around these parts you are king, i think most would eat their humble pie and agree with that. The evidence doesnt lie and much props to you, i bow to your crown genuinely in that area of the market, you are brilliant. As a caveat though you did once say that oyarzabal was a better player than odegaard which shows you do like to drop an ear deafening ripper of a fart and pass it off as an opinion sometimes.

If you were a data analyst on football manger for all things football index you would score maybe a 3 out of 20. U would point to Ade Akinbiyis goalscoring record for wolves and use that to try to represent him in a way that made him look like a better footballer than Dennis Bergkamp if it suited you to do so.

@Ericali The matrix is the same, only the prizes changed. The money that could have been won is irrelevant to someone who is new to the platform looking to make a long term investment. Its been and gone.

And its kind of funny you have used that argument about being a depreciating asset against trent without speculating about the future growth of the platform but you are ignoring vvds depreciation since the summer but speculate hell be fine with the growth of the platform. Kind of checkmated your own argument there mate.

@Ericali and if we are dealing with speculative trading and CA, what happens if nasdaq is integrated in some way early march/april next year and it attracts 6 or 7 big whales with an investors mindset off the bat? where do you think their money would be headed?

And ofc you take them as they come, but one is 21 and on the up, the other is 28 and will depreciate as an asset over the next 3 years. Do you calculate trents earlier wins before the new dividend structure as 5p literally or 8p speculatively? because if the new dividend structure was in place for his first 3 pb wins this season that would be an extra 9p. How much of vvds media and pb has come from the new structure? Moving forward that black and white 20p vs 28p discussion isnt going to look so solid, because a lot of that is to do with the timing of the new structure coming into force.

@Ericali but its a poor analogy because as the season ticks along that 150 becomes more like 24. look how many wins trent got in the back stretch last season? coincidence?

@Ericali The case cant be closed because the game hasnt ended, thats the index's usp. And vvd has won 8p in pb with the world player of the year behind him for another year which lessens his media appeal until the seasons end/ euros.

@Ericali vvd has 3 peaks over 200, taa has 8, the peaks are the pocket aces.

@Ericali i never said that haha. I said if kimmich keeps playing in midfield he will be changed to a midfielder and if anyone disagrees with that good luck to you. How many times has he played as a defender this year? That is evidence, not speculation.

And yes the matrix changes could hinder trents pb, but we wouldnt know that until it has been changed, unlike us all knowing kimmich has been playing in midfield. The new matrix could also help trents pb, at the moment its all complete speculation, unlike kimmich, who unless something changes and he starts to play in defence again. And if nobody bought players to suit the matrix we have now, we would all continue playing low end pyramid games which would suit you quite nicely.

And yes at the moment i understand where ur coming from and as a holder im not overly bothered about soft money coming out of holds when it does when i know their core value is good. Id rather be holding players of good intrinsic value that will keep divs ticking over, over time. Could trent put together 3 monster scores in a row and win pb in 2? Given his underlying numbers, its very possible and the market would correct his value again.

vvd is 28, trent is 21. The clock favours one far more than the other. vvd has 3 peaks over 200 this season, trent has 8. its a shocking comparison, i expected much better from you. You can deal me pocket aces in poker and still win a hand. If you continue to deal me pocket aces over time the chances of you winning decreases massively.

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All defenders 200+ peaks and average base this season 10 starts or more.

All positions 200+ peaks and average base this season 10 starts or more.

Kimmich will be changed positionally if this continues, he has been playing in midfield for most of the season. That is known. How the matrix may or may not be changed is unknown. If nobody bought for intrinsic pb value because of the fear of matrix changes everyone would be playing low end CA games forever, which i suspect would work out well for @Ericali current strategy, which im not knocking, it served me well for a couple of months b4 divs were increased. The money that could potentially be put into trent would mean less money in the market going into his strategy, and vice versa trent holders. We all have agendas. And we will all frame value in ways to suit it.

I value players on 2 things primarily, 1 the price the market is willing to pay and 2 if we reached market cap tomorrow who would be the players people wouldnt shit themselves holding. The first question is hazy to answer, the second question, not so much.

If and when kimmich has changed position, that leaves trent miles clear of any other defender on the index for peaks and base and pretty much every other metric you can find. Plus hes english, plays for a club likely to go deep into the champions league for the gold days, has a little added mb appeal and is younger than everyone else.

@MickTurbo I swear to god i typed 1.70 when i first made this post, then put 1.50 to not overhype him.

Hadnt considered him at all until seeing him on corners during that spurs game, checked his underlying numbers ( he was 4th for average pb amongst premier league mids under 26 to start 10 games or more at the time without corners, although after the city game he has dropped back a bit) and vowed to make him my next hold once other players had sold. The upside if he has corners in his armoury permanently, far outweighs the risks of it all going tits up.

So watching that city game was horrendous knowing hed been static for a while, as soon as those lighters began reigning down, i knew he was rising. Couldnt wait for players to be sold any longer, had to deposit and get In for 500 at an average of 1.03 on sunday morning,

Pre-warned @MickTurbo, listening to a half human princess of thebes and finding common ground doesnt tend to end well unless arbitrary insanity is your thing. At least if the fred cult goes tits up its not too tragic.

@janner73 said in Fred:

@dionysusthyrsus Eriksen to Utd in January as the playmaker for the next 18 months to 2 years with Maddison arriving in summer 2021 would work perfectly well for everyone. Maddison gets a season of experience in the CL with Leicester next season that he wont be getting if he moves to United.

*likely wont be getting at united.

The race isnt over yet for top 4 although utd are big outsiders for sure.

And it wouldnt suit eriksen to know hes a stop gap whos gonna want big wages despite not showing any form to command them over the last 2 years. Hes clearly on the decline although hes much much better than anything utd have got in that position atm. It also clearly deviates from the transfer strategy ole has implemented since he took over.

If there is some smoke in the matic swap deal it would be nice to get him out, although whoever sanctions that spurs end would need firing. Eriksen has a juventus move written all over him