Anyway, good luck everyone, got to get up a bit earlier to get to the food bank to feed the kids tomorrow.
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RE: So who’s happy with FI still
As a former Banker IMO the FI format is genius.
I understand that the high prices pre share split may put off new investors, but footballers at the absolute highest level only have a certain shelf life (Messi and Ronaldo excluded but its unlikely that we will see again, two of the greatest players ever, playing at the same time).
That means that the next Pogba is only around the corner and if you invest in that player early enough then the returns are exceptional.
So what I am trying to say is that this format due to turnover in the best footballers around at any current time means that it will be constantly refreshed due to the influx of the next big thing (CHO)and has an opportunity to become a huge player in the investment market as to my knowledge there is nothing around to compete at the moment.
The best way to succeed in any form of investment is to BUY LOW and SELL HIGH.
Not rocket science I know, but due to the unique nature of trading in footballers that have a short shelf life at the highest level the rewards should and will IMHO continue to exceed any other form of investment as long as you have done your research, know the market and invest wisely in a diverse porfollio (sorry banking background).
Anyone who disagrees should try to make serious money in the stockmarket, buying stocks that you have little/no knowledge of.
Anyway, good luck to all as I will be here for the long haul.
RE: Reality Check
Cheap players - this is the real bonkers part of the index - between everybody I read about on the forum you must hold at least over 400 cheap players sub £1.00 saying they will double. However over the last 18 months I am guessing these players or similar account for less than 5% of all PB wins never mind MB wins. However currently they make money as others also buy them but this can only end in tears when finally everyone realises for the purpose of the index they are dog shit!
Totally understand your opinion but cant disagree more.
Some of these cheap players will go on and become established stars so to state in your words they are "dog shit" is mis-understanding how the index works.
For most traders finding a hidden gem as a youngster is where a serious profit can be made in a short space of time.
Agreed, very few of these kids will make the big time but with proper research, football knowledge and a bit of luck some will, and to avoid these players is naive at best.
I do agree that the established stars at the top of the index (top 50) who are earning regular dividends will be the backbone of the index going forward but all of these players only have a certain shelf life and will be replaced by the rising stars who are currently a lot cheaper than the established stars.
This is the absolute genius of the index, because a footballers shelf life at the absolute highest level is limited (Messi and Ronaldo withstanding) it will be constantly evolving and investors that stand still and ignore new talent will miss out of the huge potential ROI of the new superstars that will burst onto the scene.
If you look at early screenshots of portfolios when FI started the likes of Rooney and Ibrahimovich were right at the top of the index and where are they now. These are the "dog shit" players that investors need to be wary of, older players past their prime hanging in there at the top of the index.
RE: Please read and keep this in mind...
Not sure about the relevance of the article, it's clear that the author has not spoken to or researched how the FI investors have built up their portfolios and the levels of profit that are available.
What has always concerned me with FI, is that we are not able to see how the company that runs the index (betindex) is performing by seeing audited financial accounts and what the current value of futures in issue is and the cash in the bank that FI currently hold.
If everyone decided to sell their shares then we would definitely have an issue (not that that will happen) but I would be interested in getting some proper financial accounts for betindex.
I appreciate that if investors decide to sell on mass the the prices of the players would head south rapidly until some investors were left with a worthless portfolio.
To see the financials would really add confidence to the market IMO but it will never happen which is why I have not invested as much as I would like to.
RE: Pogba, Hold or sell
Sorry for starting this thread but its been great reading everyones thoughts on the CURRENT FI media king.
I am relatively new to this and asked the question as I feel he is too expensive for any significant capital appreciation.
I accept all of your comments in respect of MB but as I only hold a few shares in Pogba, I am not willing to invest heavily in a player with restricted capital appreciation.
I hold 60+ players and two thirds of them have increased in value more in percentage terms than when I purchased Pogba (at the SS) so for that reason and for my strategy Im OUT of the Pogba express train.
Good luck to all of you who are invested and I suspect that is most on this thread judging by the comments but IMO my cash will be spent on cheaper players with less risk of heavy depreciation and potential for growth.
RE: The index is changing ... have you?
Totally understand your point of view and you may well be proved right on all of your well reasoned points and views on the direction of the index.
I certainly agree with your assessment on MB and the lack of transparency on why articles are included/excluded. For this reason I do not consider MB in any of my purchase decisions and see it as a happy bonus when one of my players earns a dividend. To chase MB means you are buying overpriced players in the hope that the media will write articles that readers want to read. Not really why I joined the index and will continue to ignore for the time being.
The reason that I joined is that I feel more in control of my investment due to my knowledge of football and I enjoy the research and my wife now allows me to watch more football than ever "to protect my investment" -win-win.
I also feel that there is plenty of scope for profitability and the current dips are only part of any investment cycle as it would be unrealistic to assume that the market would continue to grow indefinitely without some bumps along the way.
I only joined in March hoping for an annual return of 20%+ and have smashed that already. But you are right to state that investors should only invest what they can afford to lose.
There are some issues that could be improved but overall I am more than happy, and cant think of a more enjoyable way to gamble.
Due to the absolute unique nature of the index I also feel that there is an untapped market out there that will continue to see new money coming in to keep the prices moving, and if FI can overcome legislative and legal issues then they could open up to many more countries that are also football mad which could move things on again.
Finally, the ease of making profits that investors have enjoyed seems to have disappeared but that to me makes it more interesting, using your football knowledge against others still gives me a buzz when you get it right and that will never change on here.
RE: Tough week...
Been a rough couple of weeks for me but this is a gambling platform based on a football stock market. Great article from Mr Matt about the reality of this platform and the truth behind any index linked investment or trading on real markets.
It's been growth all the way since I joined and I suspect we may see another week or two of falls/stagnation whilst the all the investors who invested only to see positive growth remove their funds at the first sign of a dip.
It's actually a great time to reinvest new money to buy as the market flatlines before then moving back in a positive direction.
Its just having the timing, and nerve to reinvest to maximise profits but I am sure this is only a correction in the market after some massive gains which are unsustainable.
Good luck to all and I hope that you can hold your nerve as I suspect, like many investors before, if you do fold, you will regret selling when you see the value of your futures in 6-12 months.
RE: The Art of pumping 🤦🏼♂️
@Pagey74 Can't agree more. If anyone buys players on here because he's been pumped without doing research are in for a harsh lesson.
I must admit I use the pumps on here ,especially now during the close season when you cant see the footballers on live TV games and have bought a number of players but only after careful research.
Long live the art of pumping if its done properly.
Also agree with Valhalla tho, lots of idiots pumping worthless donkeys not fit to lace my Nan's boots
RE: Gambling Problem
Wow, unbelievable honesty on this thread.
I have always enjoyed a bet, always on football, as its what I know most about.
I have always put an amount of money on an account at the start of the season and tried to build that up over the course of the season then at the end of the season w/d the balance and enjoy the profits (hopefully). If my account ever ran out of funds I would leave it till the following season and accept the loss. But since I started this about 20 years ago I only ran out of funds a couple of times and was up most seasons. That is only because I would just bet on individual games that I really fancied and almost always at short odds (4/7).
I see Football index as my football betting fix but at low risk (currently) I actually see it more as a bank account with an unbelievable rate of interest.
I know it will get harder to get a return but I think we have at least a season of unbelievable growth before it slows down.
Good luck to all as always and don't forget when the fun stops, STOP
Just a final point, when I own players on this index and they fall into the red, just have a look at the 12 month graph and see what price they were 12 months ago, then sit back and relax as IMO the growth of the index will bail you out 99% of the time.
RE: PB and MB means nothing anymore
As a relative newcomer to FI it seems obvious to me that the reason that the big boys are tanking is due to the price.
Why pay twice the money for a Pogba or Neymar when someone at half the price (roughly, or was) like Salah who has CL and PL games to play for with all the dividends and appreciation those games might bring whilst Pogba and Neymar have nothing in domestic competitions.
Also there seems to be a massive slant towards MB players on this forum which I understand if you are going to hold for a serious amount of time but is not relevant if you are constantly buying and selling.
That may change over the summer but currently the market agrees due to the price fluctuations.
If your are selling players regularly and the commission cost is (in total) close to or higher than your dividend income (in total) then you need to look at your strategy.
For me I have a long term view, keep reinvesting at players that seem good value and with potential, and have sold only players that I bought before I understood the platform.
FYI I only hold Kane Sterling and Salah in the top ten as I believe they have room for appreciation, the others in the top ten seem over priced IMO.
Love FI and have done better than I anticipated, if thats not the case for you then perhaps review your strategy.
Good luck everyone.
RE: Sub 40p players list
Bebou for me as well, got on at 29p now 40p and climbing whilst being out injured.
Certain TFR as Hanover will be relegated and clocked as the fastest player in the bundesliga.
Back in training and due back any game now.
Nominated for Rookie of the month twice before injury.
Apologies for pump but this can only go one way IMO
RE: First Anniversary on FI!
@Londoner Great article giving an insight on how FI has evolved over the last 12 months.
I have only been on here since March and the changes in how investors trade to make profit seem to change from month to month.
I am really not sure how the current trend of chasing IPD's with same day flips can be either profitable or sustainable. Of course you can get lucky with a few trades but ultimately you will get burned and end up losing money.
I am also not convinced that FI will continue to offer the incentive of deposit bonuses because as the platform grows, the need to offer investors a bonus decreases as the funds are already deposited within the platform and the current trend of quick flips must mean that FI are making more profits than ever.
There are still massive opportunities to be made but it feels to me that it will become increasingly difficult to maintain current levels of profit due to the evolving and saturated market.
In my opinion the best way to make profits over the long term 12-24 months is to pick young quality players that are playing in the leagues that qualify for MB/PB and sit on them and trust your judgement. This should keep your commission costs to a minimum and assuming you have picked the right players should lead to capital appreciation and increasing dividends,
It is also the least stressful way to trade and even when players are in the red if the reasons still exist that made you buy the players in the first place then just hold and sit back. The only new money I will now be putting in is if I see a young player breaking through that has a big future.
Its very simplistic I know but its worked well so far and as I stated earlier I will not get involved in quick flips which is the current trend. I would be interested in hearing from traders who are operating that way and its profitable for them.
Good luck to all
RE: The only way the top 20 will ever break £10 barrier?
I've been topping up on my higher priced players in the top 20 as now the season has started and investors start to see the potential dividend returns from in play and media I would expect them to start moving.
When I joined in March this year there was a big gulf in price between the top players and the rest.
That has narrowed significantly so I would expect that the top players will start moving upwards as well now.
The stats on index gain are staggering if you compare the gains of the top 100 against the top 10 in the last 3-4 months so I would expect some upward movement for the top 10-20 anytime now.
RE: 3 year rule
For me its simple, I will keep nearly all of my players for the best part of three years as I only buy players that will potentially still be at, or reach their peak at the end of the three years, so I don't buy players older than 26.
I make sure that the players I pick have loads of potential and hold no matter what.
The way the market is growing why throw away profit on commission or IS costs as if you have bought the right players then just ride the peaks and troughs, when a player dips I buy more as they always seem to bounce back as long as the reasons for the original purchase still apply.
If I see an opportunity for a new player then I just deposit more funds.
Seems to have worked well so far as since investing proper money in March I am approx 43% profit which in 5 months I am more than happy with.
In the early days I did sell a few players that I bought whilst not understanding the index as I do now, and sold a few which have gone on to appreciate even further, so I figured that whilst FI is growing then why sell.
Everyone on here has a different strategy and there are many ways to make profits but for me this is the least stressful. I hope that when order books eventually comes on board then all the player purchase dates will be easy to track.
The biggest lesson I have learnt is that patience is the biggest factor is maximising profit as if you bought for the right reasons then they wont change anytime soon.
I have a budget for the coming season for the next Maddison, AWB, Mctominay etc,etc,etc.
For the record I currently have a port of 80 players with 6 in the red, but I am not concerned as I know they will bounce back
Good luck to all on here
RE: Best deal in world football
@Chewbacker Not convinced about this one.
Thomas Lemar signed last summer from Monaco for £52 mil with interest from most of Europes leading clubs and that has not gone well.
Felix is a wide attacking player like Lemar but Simeone has a very fixed way of playing which does not really promote the style of play that Felix and Lemar have.
Not sure about your comments but I can't think of a worse club for Felix and his style of play, after transfer interest from a host of clubs. I am not convinced his agent has given him the best advice on this one but was probably more concerned with his commission percentage.
Time will tell but with young players like this they need to express themselves and for his development this could be a really bad move, and his FI share price (like Lemar)
I could be wrong but for Atletico to pay that sort of fee they must be convinced.
Bonus sell off - Hold, and stay calm.
The recent bonus has been paid (hopefully) and there seems to be plenty of investors selling to recoup funds.
FI have been very clever and there is now a 2 month 5% bonus which will lead to a new level of increases, so stay calm and consider buying more shares on players with potential for growth.
I would suggest only selling if you are unsure of the future growth.
The top 20 players seem to have depreciated the most which seems strange with the potential summer bonus on offer.
Good luck to all.