I'm gonna say only this, and then yas wont be hearing from me for a while. I could have said it on any number of threads but I've picked this one.

Put yourselves in the shoes of a brand new user

@FI_IPOSCOUT I haven't even glanced at these IPO's as yet, I don't even know what the time slot is, such is my lack of interest in them but I can say that your analyses on the IPO's thus far have been really good.

For example on xmas eve I was flipping a coin, zirkzee or cherki and your right up swayed me and I picked up what appears to be an exceptional talent, meanwhile I wouldn't say zirkzee has really taken off.

I will make sure I consult your write ups every time I plan on getting involved.

Also I would be interested in your work on players not yet IPI'd and also to see how many of my names match yours

Good work

@Black-wolf yeh I get it mate, completely. I also get that in trying to point out half truths or misrepresentations its virtually impossible to not get drawn into it all. I don't blame you for your efforts one bit. I just think that there will never be a winner in this debate.

I will still buy on recommendation. But I will always take the info provided and run with it to make my own mind up. I think it's very easy to spot the mindless pumps from the proper, high quality info. Generally a great starting point is to look at who has posted it 🤣

I think it's pretty clear that, as usual, both sides of the argument are based on truth but do not paint the full picture

On the one hand it is true that my figures were correct and I agree with @Black-wolf that it's slightly hypocritical of u Eric, despite the fact that the non PB thing you have talked about makes sense, to now claim that these facts don't reflect reality. I say this is hypocritical because you're somebody who loves to deal in fact and routinely you will present a very black and white argument and stubbornly reject the subjectivity of others.

On the other hand I completely accept that of the 2500 or whatever it was, there are a decent chunk of non starters who anybody with half a brain could very quickly rule out. So in this sense I do agree with you Eric.

Having spoken with you both over a decent period of time I am absolutely certain that you both have the intelligence to see the truth in each others arguments and the weakness in your own but; and I apologize here to @Black-wolf because you aren't somebody who generally gets involved in the tit for that; it seems to me that across the board the level of stubbornness and pig headedness in this forum is getting to a point where we are in danger of becoming a joke.

How about we just leave the fucker alone for a day. You're not gonna rattle, you're not gonna foam at the mouth. Just give it a rest man for everyone's sake

The last thing I'll say on it is that the numbers I provided were factually accurate because somebody, Grego I think, asked how many players fell into each price category, a simple question with a simple answer

@Dan-The-Man I'm at 50% exactly at present, looking forward to the BL2 starting up again

@Gregolocky that's probably the biggest positive to take from this lot mate although I got off gaetano near his peak myself, but could be lured back in by this IPO

@Elmer to be honest if he did go to Turkey or the middle east then at his age that would very likely be that. He might get some EL action at a Turkish side but you could argue that 12p would look pretty generous as he would essentially be worthless.

I wanted to buy him months ago on the possibility of him getting a pb club because he is a hell of a player, but the spread put me off. But as soon as this promotion was announced I had absolutely no hesitation whatsoever. It's an absolute gift really cos the upside is huge on him and the downside is voided

Tariq Lamptey at a minimum of £1.40. Ok hes a young kid at an EPL club but his minimum price us more than many of us actually got on Cherki, let alone what he dropped at.

Cherki showed his pedigree last week and is pretty much a cert for PB minutes, I hold my hands up, i don't know much about Lamptey, but at that price I'm fully expecting him to end the debate about who is in fact the greatest of all time.

As for Joaquin, I mean hes scored a few lately but honestly, what the fuck is the point.

@Elmer its not the queue, it's the risk of Qatar that's causing that spread, but the money back promotion means that that simply does not matter at present

@Dan-The-Man

First and foremost I don't think you came off abrasive at all. I'm quite willing to be challenged on stuff and I'll concede that the info I've given does not tell the full story.

However I do think I've put a little bit of flesh on the bones of Eric's numbers, added a bit of context to It, but yeh beyond a doubt theres loads of room to investigate further to get the full picture.

The next step might be to investigate how many of those divs wins were gold/silver/bronze wins. I honestly haven't looked into this and I don't know what they would show. They may very well show that the cheapies have won a disproportionate amount of star mans or gold days, however you've probably read the post I made showing that 16 of the 44 sub quid winners were bronze 2p wins, on days when premiums won 3p in MB.

However, no matter how much we dissect the info on this thread, you could still have a port full of players at all prices and manage to win Jack in divs so ultimately statistics will only give you so much and I'd prefer to invest in a player with a proven track record of winning divs, and these will seldom be found in the bargain basement.

Perhaps more importantly than any of that, our man Tim seems to be catching on a little bit eh 😉👍