@Dan-w still think he could see a rise, as I would expect him to play a bigger role when he's fit than he did under Emery. Thought he was a bit underutilized, but he looked far more effective in the no.10 role than when Emery played him deeper. If it's a choice between him and Ozil, it would be Ceballos for me hands down; can count on one hand the number of game changing performances Ozil has given in the past couple of years.

@Dan-w I don't think Ceballos is due back in training until mid December, as he's been struggling with a hamstring injury. Might still be a good longer term hold but don't think he'll be any use for IPDs in the next 30 days.

Perhaps worth stating the Footie by way of having a base to judge the results against too - 134,004 today. Wil be interesting to see how these picks do in comparison.

@Westy not someone who interested me back then (or now) but I'd say 12%, with the way the market has been over the last 4 months, is pretty decent; I'd say that most have faired far less well over that period.

@Mintyfresh Pressed send by mistake before I'd finished! My point was, def wins may be harder to predict, but they are generally cheaper for the same reason. I know we could all quote lots of players who we think are either under or over valued, but as a general trend, I think this actually shows the market does have logic which I find quite reassuring.

I have no stats and done no research to support my logic, but given most teams play some variation on a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 and gks count as defs, I'm thinking that there are more different def wins as there are more of them playing. Position should be even more favorable for the fwds as some of the wide attackers are classed as mids.

@Ollie unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree and until he can shake that reputation, there's always going to be a ceiling as to how high his value will go.

@ocs123 do you think this will still be the case long term? I know it's hard to say as he's hardly been fit since he's been there and he's only started about 3 games in the league this season so far, but surely he'll be playing 90 mins if he's clear of injury, as he was looking really good when he played and Juve will need him if they want to go further in the CL this year.

If he's fit, not many downsides at his current price. Would expect him to record decent PB scores for Juve, can't really judge him on numbers for a poor Wales team although qualifying for the Euros will do his price no harm either. Problem for a while has been staying fit though. Even so, wish he was still at Arsenal. I'd take a half fit Ramsey over anything else we've got in midfield now.

@El-PIbe-10 I bought at 69p so not sure I meet the unbiased criteria! However, looks like he's now about to rejoin training with the first team so I'm hoping he can stay injury free and start to show a bit more of that potential. Think he's happy at Berlin so can't see a transfer soon and he hasn't shown much attacking flair in the first team to date, but his numbers at youth level look decent and at under £1 for a well regarded 20 year old returning from injury, I'd expect him to rise a bit more over the coming couple of months, so I'm very happy to hold for the time being. Beyond that, he'll have to deliver on the pitch or any rise will be short lived, as the index is very unforgiving at the moment for those youth players who don't immediately take the world by storm.