@Sol actually I downvlted you by accident, as you can see there are plenty of people who's views I dissagree with but haven't down voted.

You speak alot of things, but truth isn't one of them. If you read my messages you'll notice I'm not denying any result, but critical about the party I vote for managing to alienate their vote base.

I'll happily debate any points you have if you want a responsible debate. But if your just going to mindlessly rant then away with you sir.

An important factor about a post brexit NHS is that we still need more migrant nurses coming here. The fact is is in the eyes of tr rest of the world, we are now a less welcoming county to come to and work in. Boris can promise as many nurses as he likes but if nurses don't choose to cone here and people here don't choose to train to become nurses then it's not happening.

@Ddr if not 100% down to austerity, then it's pretty damn close to that.

It's well documented that where hospitals are overran and understaffed has little correlation with immigration levels in that place. It's also well documented that the NHS could not cope without its workers from overseas.

Yes the tories came in after the WORLD WIDE financial crisis. Austerity has done our economy no good. It is a political strategy that hurts the poor and vulnerable and finances tax breaks for the wealthy. The country now has more bilianaires but most of the country is poorer as a result

@Dan-The-Man But we can blame him for not being a bigger opponent to the tories handling of brexit over the last 3 years. I understand that given the Labour vote was split on the referendum he was in a difficult position. But the tories repeated faliuer to get brexit through left a wide open goal to apose it in one way of the other. Before this election a 2md referendum would have been very credible. The government became a minority government and was effectively powerless. What the rest of the parties effectively did was walk right into a trap, agree to an election that played right into Boris's tactics and gave him a free large majority.

I support alot of corbyns policies. But hes made some bad choices in the last few years and it's landed us with 5 more years of Tory and a Tory brexit. It could and should have been avoided.

@Dan-The-Man while I don't dissagree wit that assessment. It's a very difficult argument to make sound convincing as the accepted narrative will be the seats won over everything else.

If anything it sums up how poor Labour Have been in opposition of a dangerous Tory brexit. I voted Corbyn twice, but he now is also culpable in the brexit we are facing.

@Ericali the point I take from Dan's point is that while you try and say immigration is to blame for the struggles of the NHS the true story is 100% down to Tory austerity.

All the evidence suggests that a Tory brexit and a large Tory majority is only bad news for the NHS.

@Ericali I think at least 99.99% of NHS staff would dissagree. And as someone that worked in the NHS for years but was made redundant when the tories privatised NHS Direct I'd also dissagee.

The Tories won because the opposition were a shambles. Remainers were arguing with each each about why they can't vote for various parties that are supposedly remain or not. Torys won and lost seats in leave and remain areas. Labour won and lost seats and leave an remain areas. The result shows more that Labour need to completely change their ways more than anything.

That said, I also realise that the election does kill dead any resonable opposition to brexit at this stage.

@Ericali he Tories have a terrible track record with honesty, public spending and workers rights. Boris particually. Getting to te next election with am an NHS that hasn't been sold off and privatised is the most optimism I can take right now.

Boris is probably as unfit a candidate as you could find to be prime minister. However Labour have donw such a job of alienating their working class voters so they brought this on themselves.

I think s Tory brexit is likely to be a terrible thing. But there's no way to stop it now.

I just hope that the NHS survives the next 5 years and that a less shambolic version of labour can fight them next time.

@mike778 if you brought him 2 days ago and IS la few weeks before the end of the season there is a decent chance you'd make somewhere between double and triple the investment. "Finding a seller" isn't needed for a briliant return.