@NewUser159387 said in Will pogba play for Utd again?:

Yes he wins 3p regularly but I doubt his seasons earnings have even covered the capital loss

By all means have an opinion but it is annoying when you make it sound worse probably on purpose to suit... it isn't just the 3p wins it's the triple media days where he has won 5p quite often. 5p is more then winning star mid on a bronze or silver day. The first half of season had very few of these due to Euro qualifiers and group games in Europe comps.. the second half of season will have more of these and no one can argue that this should benefit Pogba holders more then many if not all other holds!

Regarding your throwaway remark that his div returns is not more then drop in value this was also bad advice and stupid seeing as his price has fluctuated a lot. I got in at average 6.75 in summer. He is 6.40 yet I have got around 40p in dividends so for me his season returns are beating his price drop I also took advantage of 10% deposit bonus. There will be some that got in higher of course and some got in at his lowest of 5.80-6.00 where he has been a great return of divs and with cap app! I could have sold around 6.65 but I'm happy to hold knowing it's a 3 year hold and expect his price to continue to fluctuate.

Having money tied up in Pogba is also a half arsed comment. It is a known strategy to reinvest dividends and make gains off of the back of dividends. You could then apply those gains back to Pogba.

Pogba is obviously a bad hold for short term and not saying he is a choice I advise but he is a very valid investment strategy especially the risk in drop of value seems to be offset by the continuous growth of FI. The players under him some with 0 div returns are catching him up meaning he should not fall much further.

Let's face it Pogba is not a risky investment the guys 26 year old world cup winner with a good France side that will challenge for Euro and then World Cup during a 3 year hold where he will still be only 29 at end of the hold.

He will be in media every single week whether he is in prem or not just like other high profile players not in prem.

The question is then do you want a steady stream of dividends with your money tied in a relatively safe hold with potential growth likely to be in line with FI growth or are you a player who likes to flip for cap app.

If it's for dividends then Pogba is just one choice out of several 'premium holds' or if short term definitely do not touch him.

I think he is a great hold, relatively safe always possibility of winning PB divs whenever he plays and does have some MB div potential. However after earning 15% on him in 6 months through some divs and cap app. I took the profit.

For me I just got frustrated that he always scores , assists looks menacing but quite often wont win PB because he simply does not get the game winning goal

Jota was quite unique set of conditions that mean jumping on him last night was far more then just because if the 3 goals ipd.

Prior to last night Jota price was below his peak price.

Last night means Wolves are all but through to next stage of Europa League and closer to those gold dividend days..

Jota is young and playing in prem and will no doubt generate some media. Will he stay at wolves, etc etc.

Jota probably included in Portugal Euro team.

His price is fairly cheap considering other strikers especially when looking at his form and it's still cheap even now.

This means that not only did people buy into Jota last night it is likely a lot of people will hold him and not just flip him for a quick buck meaning we will not see the drop in price that many others suffer after winning divs.

Payet has been a good example prior to winning divs was 1.25.. won divs and went to 1.55. My mate held out for what I remember was a 10p div return but the very next day he was back to 1.35. This means if you had bought into Payet during the game at around 1.50 you would won 10p but lost 15p in player value.

1 share is good way to learn these things so go for it 😁

I have been keeping an eye on him. He has been really trying like he has a point to prove and has been unlucky not to get a goal or assist or more in recent real madrid games.

It was San Marino but sometimes those games can be a springboard and Real have some favourable games coming up so and with Belgium in the Euros he has to be a fairly safe mid - long term hold and a player with a real chance to win divs.

Add in the review of dividends and if it rewards players performance on pitch he is likely to be one of the players to benefit from any type of positive div increase in relation to performance.

I dont think he will drop below £4 unless for injuries and I think he can rise to atleast a pre injury price if 4.50 whilst earning some divs IPD and PB without even thinking about the div announcement will do.

For my safeish mid term holds I look for 15% return within 1 year after commission as a mix of CA and divs and he clearly fits that with the lead up to Euros.

The above was my thinking and I got 100 shares in him before San Marino.

High price and low on PB divs would suggest sell and spend the profit elsewhere.

However to give a counter argument..

You have seen 15% rise and around 5% div return in just over a year. This is not a bad yield for a fairly safe return. Definitely beats most classic investments like banks and rentals.

He played once under new matrix and second game injured so untested on new matrix. He is likely to score higher then before given he has yet to reach his prime and likes a dribble = potentially more pb.

Speculation suggests he will be moving clubs next summer = additional media divs

Strong France side for Euros = media and pb

Natural growth of FI platform and will be one of best players for next decade so very little chance of losing money during the 3 year share life.

Injuries are probably the big elephant in the room. Suffer a nasty one and could see him crash harder.

Overall a pretty safe hold with room to grow further and achieve more divs although likely only modest gains so if your happy to get a safe yield of 15-20% stick but if you want to realise gains faster then sell and find someone else your happy with.

Mbappe makes up 15% of my port and I paid 6.45 as a newish trader. I have him as part of my safe long term holds. He went close to 7 before his injury so definitely potential.

Crap announcement , double dividends and media days was already in place.

So I have been thinking how they can keep money in the platform fairly across all players (not just media or pb)

My mind went to premium bonds which holds vast amounts of money even though there is no interest pay out. This is because it is like a lottery whilst your money is in you have a chance of winning.

So here's my idea

Every day a player is picked at random and lottery dividends are paid out. I would tier based on FI position to look something like

Top 50 - 9p
50-200 - 5p
200-400 - 2p
400-600 - 2p
600-800 - 2p
800-1000 - 2p
1000+ - 1p

I would run this for 2 months which takes us to the summer and transfer window and it would be easy to extend it to cover what would have been the Euros If they are postponed.

Quite curious if people think this would be a good idea. Obviously it's complete luck of the draw where media and performance have a proper score applied but this would just be something to keep FI ticking over in extreme cases like this.

I got out on the peak after sitting on him since last July.

The problem with Pogba now is there is a lot of 'soft' money in Pogba with flippers looking to take advantage of the latest media and fomo.

Once he starts dropping it will be very hard to get out and those gains will disappear.

Not afraid to say I took my profits and ran. I am sure he will get media divs and pb etc but I think he is now tainted that people will think twice before they break the bank.

@Dan-The-Man said in Bye all!:

@Riley's-Liegemen

It sounded like it's impacting a fair few people, simply because companies aren't willing to take on the tax liability, if the contractor is deemed to be actually an employee.

This is usually because companies pay a higher rate to a contractor then their usual employees because they do not need to pay NI , sick pay , holiday pay , pension etc even though in some cases deep down the company and contractor know that the contractor is basically an employee.

Companies didn't need to think to much about it because it wasnt their responsibility and they were happy to keep employment costs down so this is quite a shock to the system.

However IR35 is a tax avoidance measure, it is not meant to catch genuine contractor arrangements so I really hope companies wise up and contractors start picking up work again.

I'll stop with the boring tax chat now , I just find tax fascinating and hope this gives a bit of hope for the future for Stumac and others finding themselves in similar position.

Whilst that is really strong media will people please stop posting one sided arguments... His media attention is falling away.

Please also point out that in those last31 days Manchester United played 3 games of football one of which was a win against Man City and another was the very last game day in Europe where he impacted all the games and won player of the month.

Without games being played his media attention has dropped significantly which means you can not use his past 31 days as any real indication of media wins next month when no football will be played.. I reckon he still wins some media but likely only win 25% of the amount he won in March.

@Ddr said in PL - Voiding Season Off The Table:

@MUFC I was actually talking to a mate the other day (on the phone ofc) and pondered whether the government worked out what they could afford to spend extra to fight this pandemic by factoring in how much extra inheritance tax they'll make from old and vulnerable people succumbing to the virus, horrible thought I know but there will be increased revenue for the government from this, although it wont cover everything it may mitigate any future potential tax rate rises

Have you thought about this? You answered the questions yourself..A great number of those deaths would be people dying within next 6 months to 1 year without even corona and therefore not extra inheritance.

In UK there are 50,000 deaths a month on average (you can get full breakdown from national statistics online) we have had 2500 corona deaths in 1 month and large number of these are elderly / already ill. In 1 year time what you will see looking back is a small spike in March and April but then slightly less deaths then usual in months that follow. Its more of an acceleration rather then extra deaths.. Yes a small proportion of the deaths will be the young or perfectly healthy not expected to die but that number barely reaches the amount of young or healthy dieing each month for reasons like car accidents and infact because of lockdown less of these type of deaths will happen so maybe because of lockdown there may even be less deaths in March / April then usual and therefore less inheritance tax!

I think transfers still happen but at reduced value. So Sancho moves for 100 mil and not 150mil for example.

Also clubs will be struggling financially so maybe those holding out for high fees will now accept lower fees.

Clubs may have less to spend but clubs will be willing to sell for less. Even the big clubs may offload to deflate wage bills etc.

I agree with that logic.

I just think a lot of people got into Bruno at around 6-7 and made a lot of money in divs. Makes it much easier to instant sell (if spreads are lowered when normal business resumes)

The other scenario is also a lot of talk about order books. If order books are introduced I bet there would be a lot of people buying at 8-8.50 and a lot of people selling at this price. Of course his high price stays the same at 9.50 as 1 share sold is 1 share purchased but his real value becomes what people are willing to buy/sell him for which will be somewhere in middle of the his instant sell price and normal buy price.

@Specksynder said in Bruno Fernandes:

@Riley's-Liegemen
You don’t think he will increase in value by 10% in the coming season? So from £10 to £11. I think he’ll easily do that

People keeps saying he will rise but I'm not yet hearing any solid reason in fact we have witnessed a fall from 10.50 to 9.30 in line with what is happening. His price flew and held out on the back of double dividends and media madness due to the attention he was receiving.

If we actually get football next season the media days will vanish and he will be primarily competing for pb just like everyone else. He is good pb performer but he won't be winning weekly divs like he was able to recently off of so much media payout.

I'm not saying he will be worth nothing I am saying £8-£9 which was king of index before all this shenanigans.

At the start of all this he seemed the only option to win divs and so lots of sales happened on other players and everyone moved money onto Bruno forcing him up over £10. As football returns and we get pb and media on other things like transfers. The media switch is already happening then of course people then release their funds from Bruno and spread around other players again.

My point is Bruno joining United at the time he did with this global corona issue and FI's response pretty much forced all the money onto him. If football returns per normal next season without another seismic activity his best rate of return has been and gone.

If people are listing for market sell why do you think they will de list? Sure it can happen but my best guess is people bought in to win dividends during this media double div madness and a lot of them got him cheaper then £8 and always had an exit planned to lock in profit before football returned. Due to media attention moving away from him people are hoping their market listing sell the very next time he wins and people flog the forum saying how 1 win in 2 weeks proves he is back and guaranteed 12 quid bla bla bla and everyone jumps back on.

He for sure is good long term hold but you won't see 20% in dividend return at 10 quid in a season nor will you see 10% cap app unless there is a major changes to dividends once football returns.

Media attention will be on others, winning PB consistantly is near on impossible Messi being an exception and maybe Neymar when he's fit. I don't think Bruno wins as many pb as Neymar simply because psg annihalte their league.

You only have to compare his price to Rashford to see that probably Bruno is over priced and Rashford under priced. They are both probably somewhere in middle of their current prices.

My advice for anyone getting on Bruno is he is a solid and relatively safe long term hold you won't lose money and will get some divs from time to time also for every 2 Bruno buy 1 Rashford essentially hedging your bet.

@Heinstein said in Bruno Fernandes:

@Riley's-Liegemen Under normal circumstances he was a £9.50 player (before everything went to shit) and was only going to rise further.

Since he moved to United and when football was being played he was the MB king and consistently posted strong PB scores.

No he was under £9 until some announcement media madness / double dividends. I know because I got on him on announcement and jumped off at 9.90. Moved my money to Kane and Rashford who have grown whilst Bruno has fallen. I'm not entirely sure but for those that got on at 10 quid I think the divs are probably only just offsetting loss in value right now.

As I said before he was MB King from his initial move, the honeymoon period (first start, first goal bla bla) also United was one of the very last games before lockdown so he stayed relevant for that much longer. He also received player of month. I said much earlier in this thread that he would not clean up MB as some people were predicting he would win 4 out 7 days a week. I did however say he would still pop up from time to time.

As per my prediction the media has moved onto corona virus related issues, transfer chat etc which it has. Bruno needs to be playing to stay relevant.

I get that he posted good scores against Lask, Club Brugge and Watford...... In all serious though he does look a player and will challenge PB but that can also be said for Kimmich, Neymar, Ronaldo often coming in 2nd place and I think the same will be for Bruno.

Drop the double divs and media attention and he is a very good hold in normal conditions at under £9 but I expect his price would have been more 7.50 to 8.50 depending in run of form similar to that of Neymar and Co.

Someone asked for his value and people keep saying high amounts because obviously they hold him. I am providing a balance value having been on an off him several times and would get back on at a certain prices and that would be as close to £8 as I could get.

When football returns we lose 5 place pay out, double divs etc and hit the summer transfer market.

He will generate some media just like any other United player and will have good games that he is pb competitive but under normal circumstances Bruno is a solid 7-8 quid.

Of course if there is a dividend review and growth of platform his value grows so I think he is great mid to long term hold at 9 quid or under.

This guy without double divs and subject to announcement on Tuesday is probably a £7-£9 player and so no surprise for people to be listing hoping to get out on a peak rise period.

The guys saying he will clean up media divs during this period were delusional and some still believe him to bounce back in media? How will that happen, where do you expect the news to come from?

Bruno needs to be playing to be generating media as otherwise what's to talk about. He had his move covered to death and settling in period.

Manchester United played on the very last night before football stopped that is why Bruno stayed relevant for the first week which was added to when he won player of month which was only possible as he had played football that month.

Media was always going to switch back to controversy without football being played so coronavirus / Pogba contract / Liverpool being given the title / players who contract end before the season and other transfers..

Bruno is now a great hold for long term but he needs to be playing football for relevant media and PB divs. If you jumped on for short term wins at £10 that was a bad trade (subject to any further announcement)