@Ericali said in Kroos Pb beast:

Kroos is also 30 & we all know how football index reacts to players who hit this milestone.

They get jittery.

If doesn't matter if you win capital appreciation or dividends. If Kroos (£4.50) stays at his current price & wins 40p in dividends by the Euro's what's the difference in Kane (£5.67) winning the same amount or more in capital appreciation come the Euro's?

Every man & his dog knows Kane will be at least £6.50 by the summer.

We don't know what price Kroos will be.

So why gamble?

Dividends can be reinvested instantly in other shares - giving more opportunity to win more dividends - rinse and repeat.

CA however, you need to sell some/all shares to release funds, losing dividend opportunities.

Big Difference.

Yip, it's all good just now. Finally breached the 1k mark in profit (12k invested start of Oct, 1k bonus money withdrawn ). Set myself a target of £5 per day, which would be 15% ROI - very low I know but as many know, I don't do risk! Currently averaging £13 per day which would be 40% ROI. If i manage to get 20% + I'll be a happy man.

There seems to be some real push back on this forum when people try to logically explain why the lower end has, on a very large % of players, no "real" value. I can only assume that is because people have a very specific agenda to push in the hope the sheep follow and buy their penny stocks.

To repeat, as it seems some are not able to read and digest, as I have said on MULTIPLE occasions now, of course there is real dividend potential in some - and by dividend potential I mean regular dividends, not 1/2/3 a career - but that some is a small %. If somebody can convince me with actual facts and not just "they will rise anyways" then I will admit the error of my ways. But the reason that they are rising is people will buy anyone on here without thinking about dividend earning potential - and at some point huge amount of people on here will be left with huge amounts of shares at a massive loss - MY strategy, which is what this thread is about, is to ensure I am not one of those people. Simple.

As for Depay, yes he has tanked. But in 6 months he will be back above his previous high as HE WINS DIVIDENDS, everyone is in agreement there.

What an absurd comparison to Make @Dan-The-Man .

Here's an idea, now you don't have hindsight of your "great" trade. Go pick all the other players that were the same price as Moutinho when you purchased him, and do the same calculation. I'm sure Messi will come out trumps more often than not? Just because it worked once, doesnt mean it always will. Moutinho worked out well, but was a massive risk. Messi was not/is not a risk - and I say that as someone who has just sold him.

He'll be back to near £5 upon his return. Have patience people!

Very insightful post, thank you.

For me - unless you NEED the money, leave it in and reap the growth.

I'm not for a minute saying FI will go the same way, but just think how gutted someone investing $100 into Bitcoin back in 2010 would have been (circa $0.01 per bitcoin) if they had sold in Say Jan 2013 for $10? Yes, they would have turned $100 into $100k, but held on to today and it would be worth $80,000,000. Everyone on this platform is early adoptors, there is 5-10 years of growth + (just think when they open up to other countries, it is going to go full force rockets) left yet. Sit back and enjoy, and ride any small waves like there is with every single growing platform.

No.

Extra words as a post can't just be No.

The cream will come to the top. Sit back and chill - what is your port value + cash in hand compared to 30 days ago? For me, its circa £1300 vs £1200 - 8%+ increase in a month. Not great compared to others I am sure, but a lot better than sitting in a bank doing f-all. Yet this weekend it was down - United had a stinker so I got hammered there and a few irrational dips on other players. Am I worried, not at all - this is a money making machine just now.

I know they will come through. Sit back, do nothing and see your port value in 30 days and then tell us it's not worth it.......

@NewUser159387 said in Bruno Fernandes:

@janner73
Even if there was a mass sell off every Summer that would result in a similar massive buy back pre season, generating both great trading opportunities for patient users, as well as an avalanche of commission for FI.

I don't want to sound harsh - but this is a absolutely bonkers notion - and would lead to extremely stunted growth and probably the end of FI. Do you really think allowing millions upon millions to leave the platform, or sit and do nothing for 2 months is a good idea?

MB is fine - needs a little tweak but all this nonsense about it being manipulated is crazy - papers like the mail survive on click bait. Deal with it.

@johnboywalker said in Market losing direction or just me?:

@RU99

PB players being battered ...

30 days ago price vrs price today.

Messi - approx £5.27 ... now £4.82
Parejo - approx £2.30 ... now £1.80
Jorginho - approx £2.13 ... now £1.78
Kroos - approx £4.26 ... now £3.59
Luis Alberto - approx 2.58 ... now £2.28

If that isn't PB players taking a battering, I don't know what is mate ... 🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

(KROOS price now edited, thanks Eric! 👍)

You've picked 5 players. 5 players with an average age of 29 1/2. Come on, how can we take you seriously with such selective picks like this?

As a player gets older, their time to win dividends decreases, so their price should dip. Some of these have come sooner than they should, of course - but at least be reasonable when picking samples ffs.

As I said - I have a PB port that has ranged from 25-30 players, which has a annualised ROI of near 45% over just over 5 months - so no, PB players are not getting battered. Your selective picking have been battered, but that is just to push your own agenda.

I don't see the "PB players being battered" scenario that many paint. The trend seems to be people getting bored of their high value PB player not winning divs for a few weeks or longer, so they sell. Price drops, even some usually logical traders panic and sell also compounding the issue. Said player wins divs - huge rise. Slowly drops again until the next win. The rises always beat the drops (barring age concerns etc with certain players) - so if you have good PB players patience is key.

100 days ago I had a £16.5k port, with about 95% of it purely on high value (average cost per share circa £4) dividend players. My port is now £18.5k - a 12% rise - which if scaled up is circa 45% ROI over a year - and that is with a few duff decisions. Sure, if you look to closely at a certain 5 or 10 day period you will more than likely find dips, but its key to look at circa 20/50/100 day scenarios.

@NewUser485810 said in Stefan Ilsanker . Why so cheap?:

one of my first buys this man. in the europa cup for eintracht tonight part of Austrias euro squad. a sofascore rating of 7.4 .
And hes only 25 p/share . i hope he gets a good performance and rises a bit. ok he might be 30 years old but still . There ares some real bargains out there with older players in pb leagues imo. Does anyone know of others?

What is his average PB, top 5 max PBs and how much divs has he won in the past 2/3 years?

@Gary-T said in Some clarity please:

Thanks for all the info guys. So for clarity and to make sure I am not being a complete numpty it doesn't matter if it is 16p, 54p or a £1 you could be first in line to sell or at the bottom of the pile.

In theory - correct.

Any ideas?

He will win 5p today, maybe 3p tomorrow depending on what happens tonight.

Will never win anything again.

There's an idea.

Viva IR35! Pay yer taxes ye dodgers :)

@ScouseSte said in February's biggest risers...:

Personally, I think FI know that their risers list is a crock of shit and that's why they've put out some actual useful information in February's summary.

The thing is, they will never tweak or get rid of the risers list because it must generate so much income for them, in commission and the selling off of basically worthless futures.

Today is a prime example - the "top riser" has risen FOUR PENCE!! :

It costs buttons to move an 8p player to 12p, so it's the most irrelevant piece of trading to be given the spotlight. Can somebody tell me exactly how much it would have cost to move an 8p player to 12p?

Hopefully FI regularly send out these monthly highest risers (in £) lists and keep the quality information coming 👍

A huge £342 has went into him...big bucks!

IF it happens, yes.

Bruno supplying Kane & Rashford....plus Sancho.....title winners. FI terms = ££££.

I see it as a massive if though.

I'm tempted to sell, as I'm sure all holders who got on before the first batch of rumours at £2.70-£2.90ish are....but I love them divs.

I'm holding until £10+.

At this rate that might be a couple weeks away only!

If you don't think they have a good chance (ie, not 2/3 times in their whole playing career) of winning dividends....why would you buy them, and why would others buy them to give you CA?

When the whole market wakes up to this, those holding players purely because they are cheap will get burned, and burned badly.

Port size doesn't matter, ROI does and should align to your risk persuasion.