TBH i would rather a larger number of smaller prizes rather than the 10 winners or so it currently is. By all means keep a grand prize for 50% of the money then give out a load of 5/10 to more people! Far better to make more people happy.

The big thing is they left peoples buy orders based on IPD on the market to be taken. Now the IPD are removed the value has completely change (downwards). So they are taking a loss they could not have seen coming and taking on a different bet than they offered when they put the offer in.

In some cases these offers where taken so quickly that they had no chance to take their offers down. Even if they where online.

If this was needed it shouldn't have been done with so little notice and with people again forced to take a loss and hold the bag for FI to make a change they want to make.

Particularly when Some Users where informed about it before others!

So the lesson to this story is NEVER put in a buy offer? Is that really the signal they want to send to the whole userbase? Particularly to the people who where depositing to put buy offers in?

This is simple. This is just to please the FI Simps on twitter that just hold Kimmich + Sancho ect and they are not really renewable due to the tax. Hence why twitter is going crazy that they are getting another occasional 1p. Which on a £6-15 (if they ever return to that price) is laughable.

The issue is the IPD benifitted the entire market and provided a buy now incentive. Now its replaced, there is no longer a buy now. So what if I miss out on the 1p for a second place the player is going to fall more than that when the hype of a new update is over.

This is just designed to once again get all the money back to the top 2/3 players the issue is there is not enough value to justify the rises back up to old prices and the removal of the IPD income that was providing liquidity has been removed.

Plus most of these temp bounces have just been caused by the 1000 new minted shares above the market being part of the 900 so the average is pulled up rather than any actual real growth.

The bigger issue is how to make any of these squad players relevant at all. You have strikers that need to score 3 goals to get the same PB score as players baseline, Are FI going to change the matrix again to make this "fair" or as they continue to show they are just trying to funnel the non - whales money into whales accounts. Particularly when they are regularly given the information before the rest of us!

Edit : Plus this is yet another thing to keep track of in order to understand what to buy / sell. They haven't even got automatic leaderboard for all TOTM players just a top 10 lists posted whenever FI feel like it. Now we need to keep track of every player with a chance of being in the top 6 /2 who didn't win on a day. How is that information going to be communicated? Probably by a community member posting on twitter or on the forums. Seems very rushed!

So we have options to see our portfolio to mid or high price based on how green you want to be on any given day, Thats Great.

But can we have similar option to see the highest bid offer/lowest sell option so we can see the RIGHT now get some prices rather than average of what like 900 offers now?

Worked example... (Not a pump, not commenting on if he is a good buy but first player to prove the point)

So his button buy is 35p sell is 30p so 5p spread.
When you go through to the Insta buy / instant sell its actually 33p/32p So 1p Spread! Granted if I want to buy 300 or whatever its gonna take further apart prices, but the true right now spread is 1p. Let me see it!

Isn't LP1 stacked on Europa League? LoL

In the academy it says that the in - play 30 day dividends can be renewed however I can't find any information how this can be done. Asking reddit the only work around is to sell the shares and re-buy them.

Why not have a "renew shares" button that charges the 2% (or other fair value) to renew the share rather than go through the hassle of buying and selling!

Confused why would you be optimistic that this change would be for the better. Every change in the last 6 months has had a negative effect on our investments. The track record says not to be optimistic.

Anyone still here from when Mr Cole dropped the

"Don't worry guys the intrinsic value of your bet is unchanged its still a 3 year bet"

Guess that was a lie!

Now we can see who got the insider information and who didn't...

Not too bad.

*** I not sure how accurate the % are as I think lots buy/sells mucks it up.

This is simple. This is just to please the FI Simps on twitter that just hold Kimmich + Sancho ect and they are not really renewable due to the tax. Hence why twitter is going crazy that they are getting another occasional 1p. Which on a £6-15 (if they ever return to that price) is laughable.

The issue is the IPD benifitted the entire market and provided a buy now incentive. Now its replaced, there is no longer a buy now. So what if I miss out on the 1p for a second place the player is going to fall more than that when the hype of a new update is over.

This is just designed to once again get all the money back to the top 2/3 players the issue is there is not enough value to justify the rises back up to old prices and the removal of the IPD income that was providing liquidity has been removed.

Plus most of these temp bounces have just been caused by the 1000 new minted shares above the market being part of the 900 so the average is pulled up rather than any actual real growth.

The bigger issue is how to make any of these squad players relevant at all. You have strikers that need to score 3 goals to get the same PB score as players baseline, Are FI going to change the matrix again to make this "fair" or as they continue to show they are just trying to funnel the non - whales money into whales accounts. Particularly when they are regularly given the information before the rest of us!

Edit : Plus this is yet another thing to keep track of in order to understand what to buy / sell. They haven't even got automatic leaderboard for all TOTM players just a top 10 lists posted whenever FI feel like it. Now we need to keep track of every player with a chance of being in the top 6 /2 who didn't win on a day. How is that information going to be communicated? Probably by a community member posting on twitter or on the forums. Seems very rushed!

GoalKeepers could always be renewed, most of the time in profit. As a result you could be getting your 2p a clean sheet almost all of the time. You are swapping that out for 2 extra 1p slots a week.

That is bad news for GK. Particularly as you will need a C/S + some points to even get second rather than getting paid out on the c/S allone.

@Lukeroro said in If You've Held For This Long, Keep Holding On:

@Toptom said in If You've Held For This Long, Keep Holding On:

Confused why would you be optimistic that this change would be for the better. Every change in the last 6 months has had a negative effect on our investments. The track record says not to be optimistic.

As nobody has replied to you, for me, IPDs is a fantastic idea but it simply doesn't work with order books. Order books are what take this product global and I am happy to sacrifice IPDs during a pandemic and come out of the other side with a better functioning platform.

Hence the advice to hold. Don't pay commission for regrettable trades. Have faith in those that you gambled on in the first place and the reasons you chose those players and await the return of capital appreciation!!

C'mon Viktor Kovalenko!!!!!!!

IPD work fine... Its the Refreshing that is making unlimited supply onto the market. The correction would be to increase the refresh time from 30 days to 90 (or whatever the market can take) rather than eliminating it completely and removing that value in the players.

@Valhalla said in FI Update 8/1/2021: They're Removing IPD's In 30 Days:

@Toptom said in FI Update 8/1/2021: They're Removing IPD's In 30 Days:

@NewUser433035 Germany isn't going to happen. Just like we where promised market makers and even LP01 has disappeared. It's another smokescreen. What logic is there that the only reason they can't add Germany is that you get money for goals like first goal scorer, any why would they not announce the new scheme?

Simple, They don't have the next thing yet. They are waiting to see how much commission they make now and then work it out.

Sure buddy 🤦🏼‍♂️😂 you go real quiet when FI’s doing well. But when there’s a drop, your back rattling your cage. Get a life mate.

By your logic I would be on here every day of the last 6 months.... Yet I post only when major change happens. Shame your missing me so!

@NewUser433035 Germany isn't going to happen. Just like we where promised market makers and even LP01 has disappeared. It's another smokescreen. What logic is there that the only reason they can't add Germany is that you get money for goals like first goal scorer, any why would they not announce the new scheme?

Simple, They don't have the next thing yet. They are waiting to see how much commission they make now and then work it out.

@Zizou said in Thoughts: IPD's to be removed and intrinsic valuations.:

@Valhalla You said you wanted people to hold onto players (No trading) = No comission

No trading = No commission = No money to Pay for the higher divs

They already shown they are happy to cut dividends and are testing to see the impact. The media and performance divs will be the next to be slashed. FI don't care what the capital price of our holds are (they shown that from the vast hits we all being forced to take!) they only care about maximising commission coming in.

Confused why would you be optimistic that this change would be for the better. Every change in the last 6 months has had a negative effect on our investments. The track record says not to be optimistic.

@Honeylight said in FI Update 8/1/2021: They're Removing IPD's In 30 Days:

I was beginning to regain confidence in FI and started making deposits again. This is the last straw though. I'm selling up for good.

Bought shares in Dzeko for 40p a few days ago. Now worth about 20p.
Handanovic bought for 22p yesterday - now 13p. Same with Suarez and many others.

Okay, the IPD is still valid for 30 days, but these players were bought with IPD and resale in mind. Resale value in 30 days will be worthless.

Who knew about this is advance? Do the big traders get consulted and tipped off?

Removing IPD and not telling us what it is replaced with is appalling. They have been criticised for changing the bet before. This time they have changed the bet without telling what it has changed to.

Can't decide whether FI are incompetent or corrupt.

I mean its pretty clear at this point a fair few traders know. We had threads on here, on twitter and in private discords saying it was coming. Most the big wigs sold up and some even posted that they where depositing to try and get a bump while they were selling up. They are the ones that are most bad actors, they are trying to pass a loss they know is coming onto you. But then again its recently come out that they got deals with cuts so they probably just responding to their own interests.

Anyone still here from when Mr Cole dropped the

"Don't worry guys the intrinsic value of your bet is unchanged its still a 3 year bet"

Guess that was a lie!

The big thing is they left peoples buy orders based on IPD on the market to be taken. Now the IPD are removed the value has completely change (downwards). So they are taking a loss they could not have seen coming and taking on a different bet than they offered when they put the offer in.

In some cases these offers where taken so quickly that they had no chance to take their offers down. Even if they where online.

If this was needed it shouldn't have been done with so little notice and with people again forced to take a loss and hold the bag for FI to make a change they want to make.

Particularly when Some Users where informed about it before others!

So the lesson to this story is NEVER put in a buy offer? Is that really the signal they want to send to the whole userbase? Particularly to the people who where depositing to put buy offers in?