Can someone at FI give clarity over the decision to open up the GK category for PB? Its been long rumored and punted by traders on every big announcement night, but always clearly explained why it shouldn't happen by numerous traders on here and twitter over the years. Lots of us knew the negative affect it would have on the other players values so I fail to understand that FI wouldn't have known.

Did those making the decision really not foresee the swing it would cause? Or did they know what would happen?

It does seem a few things have happened recently where the decision makers didn't know how traders would react. Is there not a trader consultation group still being used for things like this?

@Dan_FI @Global-Moderators @administrators @Marc_FI @FI_Mark

Thanks in advance for any feedback you can get us.

Let's see if I can get them all in on one go... Bet I miss 1 or 2 though!

Covid
Christmas
People waking up to new risk now no IS to FI
Lots of subs and resting
Competition popping up all over the place
Loss of trust
Lack of comms
Loss of trust to previously deemed "guides"
Shit tech, still.
Market depth exposing how thin it all is
Trading metrics showing FI currently losing money regularly
Negative sentiment snow balling
Career divvers still preaching despite a lot of the above
PB has been a bit random on gold days, lack of divs reinvested
IPOs introduced at a weird time
Account manager recently showed what's he's about
People waiting for a December bonus
Lots of money trapped in lower end players
Endless lies or absolute blunders from FI
They're either liars or clueless
Road map disappeared
An apparent ex insider spilled the beans about problems FI are having
@Coriolanus and @Ericali agreeing on things recently
Some YouTube doing a risk video, months after @Tom7471 did pretty much the same thing and got ridiculed by those "guides"
Some sort/rumours of law suit going on vs FI
FI looking greedy or desperate with IPOs
Too many rule changes, even when they put a rule in place to preempt things, they change it when its actually needed.
The current market mechanocs
FI being sneaky and tryi g to mint players like Evra!
FI minting holding back cap app
Their horrible Ts and Cs keep changing with little option of realistically stopping if we don't agree
Lack of liquidity means you can't Stop if the fun stops your strapped in
Yields mean nothing with this sort of cap dep
Mismanagement
FI dividend predictor advertising how hard it is to win pb
Marketing stopped/slowed
Trust pilot getting a beating
Recent ad suggested you can cash out anytime... You cant
Stingey new user offer versus other platforms
Other platforms delivering development targets and managing issues they have
New user trade 'risk free offer' actually full of risk
Akash didn't have a clue on the podcast he did
AC didn't have a clue on the last couple of tweet chats he did
Pb score errors
MB score errors
Inconsistencies across pb and mb rules

I'm sure there's more...

Bright side, if you back FI to sort it out divs are great, and you can still make money trading. They must have big cash reserves to see them through. So far the competition seems quite niche, think FI is still easiest to get into...but they do need to hurry up or they'll get caught up and if so itl be a battle of the best payouts, money will go if payouts on a very similar product are better (at this moment they are not)

Please can someone make this advert happen:

After a long day at an office job,Benedict comes home, he lives alone, the wife left him (but he doesn't mind that). Some mail he opens advertises shitty ISAs 1% offer, he scoffs, that's lower than inflation! He puts the sports news on and a breaking piece of news catches his attention. He puts down the cat food (like I said his wife left him) and whips his phone out. Frantically tapping buy on the player linked in the news story. It's a transfer story of some unknown Brazilian signing for Utd. He looks at the media buzz and sees this kid is all over it- he has bagged some premiums and he got in before the masses, the stock is rising!
He then settles down to his laptop with a microwave spag bol and bottle of red. We see him doing hours of weird data analysis of football players and some old school maths calculation with a pen on his glass window that overlooks London. It's sweaty business, but although mentally exhausted, at the end, he looks relieved and reflective- we see him purchase a player before going to sleep.

The next day, we see him don a long coat with a big collar, and put a blue and white scarf on. Bit trendy, bit geeky. He walks towards a proper London boozer with scum and yobs all around with tattoos and bellies out. The odd QPR top is clearly visible.
He (almost invisibly) works his way to the bar orders a coffee (forgetting where we was)- they refuse to serve him, it's an awkward moment, but he reacts- he wants to watch the match so puts on an act, he's clever like that. So he has to try and stomach a half of watery lager...trying to be one of the lads, he sips it to try and fit in and go unnoticed in what is clearly not his favourite environment.
He makes his way to a crowded TV area, sits with his port open on his mobile (wouldn't risk taking his laptop to this type of establishment) watching the match. A player scores an absolute wonder goal- we see a flash back to his window- it's the same player his research produced last night! Cue the end music to Bourne Identity by Moby. A smug smirk appears on his face. The yobs are all shouting at the screen, but he remains calm. He leaves the shitty lager and fades away from the pub scene- we know, he knows he's made money.
We then see back in the pub an advert for FI on the tv and even some of those yobs start to take note and start sticking tenners on the player that just scored.
A last look at Benny and we seem him setting off on a yacht on the Thames with a captains hat on with an absolute babe (perhaps Clare Goose) and a bottle of bubbly smirking at his stock rising. Looks like he's not turning up to work tomorrow. Still the Moby tune playing as they go down river.

Have never really fully got into IPD chasing. Tried it a few times and feels like I got burnt like traditional betting on a couple (at least my whole stake wasn't lost!). Most annoying was that I was right about Morata's return from injury and him going to bang all the goals in, but in my 30 days he scored once, the next 30 he scored about 8! So now I'm back to just seeing them as a bonus or possible cashback on a mid/long term buy.

I think the next few pay day boosts will still be PB stars orientated as agreed by those on the FIGpodcast @The-FIG chat 'in the pub' episode. There is still a lot of value to be had in the pedigree PB players, even after their rises. With further rumors of a future reward to be added in about long term performance, this could be PB based, or maybe rewarding players that just don't suit the matrix, but do score highly in other rankings e.g. sofascore or whoever the website is where it looks like FI are now working with- it will add even more value.

So looking at topping up/buying players (even ones I've previously held and sold before!) now before the pay day rises. Especially with a few dips, from the IPO onslaught and the international break, on some pedigree PB players. And which ones might be playing lots of games to hopefully give some cashback from IPDs.

Looked at whether there were any fixture advantages and can share this below. Hope it's useful:
S= Single game days D= Double game days (Rest are triple).

If you buy tonight:
Dortmund = 8 games, 3S, 2D
Bayern = 8 games, 3D
Hoffenheim = 8 games, 3S
RB Leipzig = 8 games, 1S, 2D
Etienne = 8 games
Wolfsburg = 8 games
Lyon = 8 games, 4D
Arsenal = 8 games, 2S
Man City = 8 games, 3D
Leverkusen = 8 games, 3D
Barcelona = 8 games, 3D
Lille = 8 games, 2S, 4D
PSG = 8 games, 1s, 3D
Wolves= 8 games, 1D
Metz = 8 games, 1D
Rennes = 8 games, 1D

If you buy tomorrow: (most, if not all of the above are still in the window too)
Frankfurt = 8 games, 1S, 3D
Chelsea = 8 games, 4D
Real Mad = 8 games, 4D
Man Utd = 8 games, 2D
Spurs = 8 games, 4D
Monaco = 8 games, 4D

And just slightly further ahead (I don't know if games can still be moved...but):
Buy on the 28th Nov and get 9 games (4D) for Man Utd.

So looking at that- who do you buy? For PB? For just IPD?

If the next major market boost is another artificial one e.g. Bonus, then I think many will see it as a time to sell and then reevaluate or leave. If it is something that will add permanent value e.g. Pb/mb increase I think money will flood back in and it will stay in.
Thin ice.

Didnt get a chance to respond as thread gone now...but as i wrote it, thought i could put it here then delete when @NewUser455434 has read it...apologies @Sav2000 for hijacking- but it is sort of related i guess.

@NewUser455434 said in .](/post/252784):

@MrWh1te No, I am not a spy, we are grown up. Maybe they fear it, maybe they think it’s a dark area and don’t want to get exposed

If referring to me- I have openly showed my hand on here several times, I am sure even @Ericali as a strong 'call it out' voice on here, and one that wants rid of these posts, will agree I have acted appropriately? If not let me know. And happy to also be judged by the wise @MickTurbo and @johnboywalker who have both in past put users in to check. What about he unofficial guardian of the forum @Advinculas-Index ?

My site doesn't earn off clicks- I have no advertising companies etc out of principle. I just have links to football trading products. It is a work of passion about getting gamblers away from bookies and helping people trade on any football trading platform. On twitter and on here I have agreed about the gambling elements to FS and encouraged people if they are on it to exclude those parts- which if signed up through me actually does me no good at all! The amount of time I put in to promoting FI and cost of setting up a site etc makes any little commissions along the way pretty negligible- if I was about making money from it, it'd be plastered with those horrible ads you see on footy sites- hair transplants...Russian brides...get rich quick...get big quick... you'd also see me trying to get sponsored by a certain trading company that sponsors someone else FI based! I could even charge a sign up fee like many other FI content sites...If i ever do turn profit i have already told high profile members i will be willing to pay fees for an insight to their trading- so money going back into the community and pretty much the Index.

I've said this elsewhere, but in case you missed it- On the original FS thread a few weeks back (not set up by me) I did respond to those asking about it and did respond with a pointer to my link for those saying they wanted one- its the best deal available (better than a friend referral etc), so if they were going to join anyway they get the best deal through me? I hardly promoted it and in fact ended up agreeing that this forum wasn't suitable- so due to that thread i went about creating a forum on my already- multi-platorm based football trading (that mostly pumps FI) site- to encourage the discussion elsewhere and not on here.

After that thread, there have been numerous follow ups- all I have done on those is give pointers to move the discussion to the forum I set up and get the FS stuff off here (I agree and sympathise that it shouldn't be on the main FI forum- if it is on here it should at least start on the Off Topic category where healthy discussion of a competitor could be useful for FI to follow- its up to them, and its also up to the forum users to engage or not). I have liked peoples comments in the threads asking for it to be moved.

I'd hope anyone that has followed me on here will agree I am all about FI content- the threads on here and pretty much 95% of my site's articles. If I was targeting sign ups on here, I would have created these numerous threads?

FI users need to stop creating FS threads and stop engaging with them.

Pros - team of the month has been needed for ages, but 1p/2p per position would have ticked that box alongside the
money going on proper div rises.
- there must be something else planned towards achieving growth- shared liquidity expansion? planned bonus
periods? Euros promo? Surely 10x wasn't just more guff from AC???

cons - gk category is an absolute shake the money tree tactic again hitting premium holders or a signal they have no clue
how their market works
- rise is pathetic compared to player price growth
- predicted yields are no longer attractive with the added risk now
- tech struggled again meaning some couldn't react whilst some could
- its kept competitors in the game when they could have stomped all over them
- its done little to grab hold of the recent positivity- we are going to have a lot of miserable traders again

Overall I do get the caution needed for businesses at these times, but I do worry they may have been over cautious here and therefor put an air of risk on themselves. Look at that sell queue forming on world stars right now! I've never seen this on an announcement night, usually the total opposite! If they really had no clue that would happen with the intro of GKs they are f#cking muppets and if they planned to do this and have this affect to try and make some big commission they're f#cking crooks! These drops will send a lot of recent new users packing that have been buying the star dividend players.

Out of interest, those saying they accept the money is going from premiums to GKs but the premiums will rise again after, are they buying the premium dip now? Regardless of the GKs, do they feel the premiums are still value on this div table?

Still don't think they understood why traders want the mb and pb matrixs set in stone for a few years. Akash babbling on about if they gave us the data tools we wouldn't fear changes as we'd be able to redo our portfolios accordingly - ridiculous. We have the data tools already, that's not the problem, the problem is we don't want to have to constantly doubt our long term holds for dividends and value. They didn't grasp that if crosses get nuked and say headers get bumped up then some players could plummet in price whilst others rise.

Have been a bit quieter on here for a few reasons- work is busy at the moment, baby Westy on the way soon!, trying to cut my port down from 200! and trying to trade solely off dividends for a bit...but also been working on some football trading content:

https://www.footballtradinginsights.com/

I've teamed up with @Vespasian32 as he has always seemed the polar opposite type trader to me and argues well, and an outsider named as 'Hasselbanker' who is not into FI properly yet, but has a wealth of stock market skills and knowledge.

The 3 of us see the site as a bit of an extension to the forum where outsiders can join in ( and obviously- to keep it running- we have to try the whole on-boarding of new customers through ads etc...which wont interest you) but the heart of the site will be articles on our trading mistakes (which are rarely discussed on twitter or on here by traders), our strategies and the future of football markets.

A while back in a thread I said I was clearing up a mess in my port and someone asked about it- it's explained here, my biggest loss to date: https://www.footballtradinginsights.com/hindsight-1

Elsewhere on the site you can read up on @Vespasian32 current strategy and have a quick look at how Footstock currently use order books and whether FI will have a similar version to begin with or a simple option versus real order books.

It is pretty much just at testing stage...lots more content to come. I think for most of you experienced trades it will be the Hasselbanker articles that will be worth a read in future so keep an eye out for them- i cant answer some of his high brow trading questions on the way FI works etc, so would be good to get some of you on here to convince him! Also get in touch if you would like to get an article on the site!

All feedback welcome!

I just managed to pump it on @IRISHFI podcast recorded tonight going out Monday 😉 , so I've got til Monday to sort out any obvious errors etc that you spot, so just let me know, cheers!

One thing I'm already aware of is that it doesn't quite fit mobile phones properly (seems better on PCs/laptops- i will have to sort that out! If anyone uses a tablet, id be keen to hear how it looks?

@Karl yeh that rings a bell. 12k

Thats a lot of Mbappe tax for some peeps lol

Think the allowance is quite high on them though? 15/20k? Sure I saw that somewhere

@Dan-The-Man yeh I see what you mean.

But there will be lots of players that had 0 for ages, now they may only have 4p, but for many that just want to quit and delete, it's an out.

Maybe they should have o ly done it on those with 0 for now until MMs can come in and set floors.

It's all a bit late, might be different if they did straight away when there was more cash going in monthly and sentiment was better.

@Dan-The-Man but if others rate him higher than lowest price you get a bidding war? Proper market? Yes it will crash some prices in the meantime, and whilst money is spread thin there won't be much competition, but after a while we should end up with prices made by the buyers, not by the limits FI put on.

Similarly, I've been buying a player, always at lowest bid, his zone has changed, now I'm not getting accepted at the new lowest so I probs need to head the bid back up.

Also as a seller, I was ISing a player on the old lowest bid, now I see someone is way below that, I'm not selling, il wait.

It'll work better when we can bid and offer on same player, as whilst that player I'm trying to sell doesn't have a suitable bid, I'd buy more at the lower price ready for him to perform later and sell at my offer price.

@Dan-The-Man think they are targeting players with little or no IS, opening the zones on selected players. They must have an audit of liquidity coming up from share holders or the GC lol... Or need a positive week next week 🤔

I'm in camp get rid of bid zones.
Let the market grow from the bottom up, find real current value, increases liquidity, offers many an out, makes it fun again...

I've removed about 5k from offers and put about 3k into bids as zones made me switch my strategy on some players.

Just imagine if we can bid and offer on the same players next, FI slowly catching the competition up!

Can anyone summarise the key findings?

One summary I've seen said expansion in 2 years, didn't mentioned if it'd be pooled?

Does this Hadron project mean no Nasdaq?

Option a

Shhhhhh @Dan-The-Man

@Mintyfresh in the past FI have acted on messages on here. They've directly engaged with posts ive and others have put on in the past and changes were made accordingly. But yes Twitter more effective and trustpilot as they are open to the external eyes.

@NewUser186178 twitter too... But it's important to air discontent, I don't buy in to the whole keep quiet or new users won't join, I think that's wrong... If I was thinking of joining now I'd like to be warned. There's lots of easy solutions to liquidity and improving the platform without relying just on new users so that it attracts new users and KEEPS THEM. FI need to hear the issues, and know we won't have it. At some point they have to act, meanwhile people leave, prices drop and if they mint at these prices and keep divs the same they mint a lot of bad bets for themselves... If they lower divs even the "FI can do no wrong gang" will surely have had enough.